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Why so few Snipers?

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Why so few Snipers?

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Reryn
01.22.2012 , 10:53 PM | #121
Quote: Originally Posted by IAmASpaceship View Post
He's not. I'm full PvP - valor 61, champ gear + cent (w/ 56 mods) chest, + battlemaster ear and implants. (roughly 12.something % bonus expertise).

It's 4.5 against equal geared targets, 5+ against lower gear for ambush + the inevitable 2-3k explosive probe.
I am too, so what. Sometimes with champion gear and up, you'll get in the high 4k, but with his gear and not being level 50, like he stated, he's full of crap.
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Reryn
01.22.2012 , 10:57 PM | #122
Quote: Originally Posted by ZDProletariat View Post
wow, you spend half your time in PVE auto attacking? You have no concept of energy management.
I bet you spam charged burst until you deplete it all, then whine about having no damage.
I would absolutely hate to have you as a "DPS" on any raid I'm in. The healers DPSing in between healing would do more than you with your way of doing things.
I never said I run my energy down. You're saying that to justify your argument. I said we have to spend a lot of time using our base attack because we run out of energy really fast as snipers.

Personally I don't care about your raids, my guild and I are raiding also, doing the hard mode raids and everything else.

The problem here, is that you don't know what your talking about, despite your anecdotal's about my play style.
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ZDProletariat
01.22.2012 , 10:59 PM | #123
Quote: Originally Posted by Reryn View Post
I never said I run my energy down. You're saying that to justify your argument. I said we have to spend a lot of time using our base attack because we run out of energy really fast as snipers.

Personally I don't care about your raids, my guild and I are raiding also, doing the hard mode raids and everything else.

The problem here, is that you don't know what your talking about, despite your anecdotal's about my play style.
Like I said, you need to use your auto attack just to keep your energy from dropping too low. You really should practice some efficient rotations. You aren't being everything you can be for your raid.

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Reryn
01.22.2012 , 10:59 PM | #124
Quote: Originally Posted by CommandoPower View Post
In fairness the situation he listed and the situation you listed are vastly different ones that give different results. Bolster does indeed make lowbie snipers/gunslingers hit really hard lol.
Even when the warzones mixed, people who where bolstered did not hit harder then geared 50's. That's part of the reason why bio-ware separated the 50's out from the lower levels, because of the added DPS from expertise.
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Reryn
01.22.2012 , 11:02 PM | #125
Quote: Originally Posted by ZDProletariat View Post
Like I said, you need to use your auto attack just to keep your energy from dropping too low. You really should practice some efficient rotations. You aren't being everything you can be for your raid.
There is no "auto attack".

I use my "base attack", which is set to "1" like most people's when my energy gets close to 60% in order to keep my energy at the highest regen. The point of what I was saying is... snipers can't consistently use "special" attacks like some classes, in order to maintain the highest DPS rotation as MM we have to base attack quite a bit.

I don't know where you are getting this thing you are saying about me running my energy down.
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Gaidax
01.22.2012 , 11:04 PM | #126
Quote: Originally Posted by Gigo View Post
Here's a fun fact: in order to get credit for a player kill on Ilum you need to be within 15m.



Can anyone name a low mobility class designed to work outside 15m range?
This is definitely not true.
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Orkayl
01.22.2012 , 11:05 PM | #127
I got in a huttball earlier with 3 snipers on my team. We got 6-0ed pretty easily. . .

I saw this coming from a miiiiiiile away.

There aren't more snipers, thankfully, because the class and the cover mechanic in general are bad. If my class was that terrible in WZs then I would never go either.

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Spymaster
01.22.2012 , 11:07 PM | #128
I play both, but I can see why, If I were only going to pick between sniper / operative... I'd want stealth. Not because it's easy mode or whatever, but because the agent with no stealth seems.... odd.

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Xinika
01.22.2012 , 11:25 PM | #129
Cover should be nerfed, but snipers should be compensated elsewhere. One-trick pony seemingly?

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Reryn
01.22.2012 , 11:31 PM | #130
Quote: Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
This is definitely not true.
A lot of people are spewing out BS in this thread. Especially people in defense of Sorc's and Merc's and operatives.

Reminds me of the imbalances in Age of Conan that wrecked the game, well maybe AoC was worse. When AoC launched Guardians could stack + dmg gems in their gear and when combined with an ability, forget the name of it, that increased their base attack damage would one shot anyone. They didn't fix that for over 3 months! Or in Warhammer when two zergs met, the melee DPS couldn't do anything in fear of being tab targeted and nuked to death if they tried to reach the enemy lines.

Imbalances like these will cripple a game if not fixed really really fast. Some of the pressing issues in SWTOR right now are...
  • Illum went from dumb, to nightmare and then settles on retarded link
  • BW is ignoring the population imbalance for some mysterious reason. They should at least do something, maybe give the side with a low pop an xp boost? Realm and faction changes... I don't know, do something though!
  • Two DPS classes that are underpowered and overwhelmed by other DPS classes (Marauder and Sniper)
  • Too many knockbacks, snares and CC on almost every class
  • Healers getting short changed on valor in warzones through the medal system
  • Game breaking bugs in hard modes and operations
  • An under-performing healing class
  • Money duping and a gold farming system that is exploding very early on
  • Warzones bugs, like the one where extra people, more then the normal player limit, can enter a warzone

Time will tell if BW fixes those things, but their track record so far is awful. We have had two substantial patches already and the Warzone player limit is still bugged and ilum is still being designed by mouth-breathers.
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