DONT screw up the other parts of the game for pvp.

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DONT screw up the other parts of the game for pvp.

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MackumDog

01.22.2012 , 01:14 PM \| #21	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Enako an additional note : snippy the point is, that causes one to be very aggressive, vocal and demanding when participating in the community. like in the pvp forums here. So true. I do PvP ocassionally and after I have usually high adrenalin levels, it is like driving when you have rock music on, it makes you drive faster. Now Im off to listen to some Barry Manalow and do Suduko
I can't brain today...I have the dumb

robotsonik

01.22.2012 , 07:25 PM \| #22	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Enako an additional note : i know it from myself - extensive pvping makes one increasingly aggressive. that is something inevitable. leave aside observing it on myself, i have even seen people who have been very mild, very stable and kind people for the entirety of their 45 year long life turn irritable after taking up pvp. so if that person is not immune from that, i dont think anyone is. it may not show directly, it may not be evidently apparent, but it is inevitable that it has an effect. imagine what kind of person i was while i was pvping in wow battlegrounds 6 hours nonstop for over 1.5 years, every day. ............ the point is, that causes one to be very aggressive, vocal and demanding when participating in the community. like in the pvp forums here. Very much agreed. The two games I've played quite a bit of were LOTRO and FFXI. Both games did not have a major focus on PVP at all. Both communities were quite friendly and helpful and lacking in that quick-to-fight mentality. LOTRO especially contains probably one of the most incredibly friendly and helpful communities I've ever been a part of. I know there are plenty of other factors, but I've always maintained that the lack of a PVP focus was partly the reason for such friendly people. Kudos to you for acknowledging that fact with regard to the effect of PVP on players' attitudes and demeanor. I definitely agree. Cheers!

Traumahawk

01.22.2012 , 07:45 PM \| #23	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by robotsonik LOTRO especially contains probably one of the most incredibly friendly and helpful communities I've ever been a part of. I know there are plenty of other factors, but I've always maintained that the lack of a PVP focus was partly the reason for such friendly people. Yeah, and I can't even imagine how much EASIER it would be for the developers if PvP and PvE were separated like this. Why did they make it so much harder on themselves by aping WoW's system? I mean, I get it...copy much of WoW and you may have a successful game, but for goodness sake, innovate and tweak those mechanics that aren't working. It's baffling.

Sai-to

01.22.2012 , 07:50 PM \| #24	Quote
I'm going to have to agree that BW should listen to this advice: Don't let PvP effect PvE. This has been a gigantic problem in all MMOs that have both PvP and PvE. You should balance them completely separately and change the way the stats and abilities work when applied to NPCs vs. PCs.

Tic-

01.22.2012 , 07:55 PM \| #25	Quote
Seems we are growing though.. Bioware themselves said almost half the playerbase signed up for warzones the first few weeks of the game... Not as much a minority as we were once thought to be. edit: and UO was the greatest game ever

Derbefrier

01.22.2012 , 07:59 PM \| #26	Quote
theres also the fact that while balancing around PvP all classes end up really the same to account for balance, which is boring. it happend in WoW. at first each class had its own special flavor it could bring. but now they all have snares, stuns, and all pretty much play the same all in the name of balancing around PvP. it sucks and one of the many reasons i quit playing WoW

KryloKillian

01.22.2012 , 08:04 PM \| #27	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Enako an additional note : i know it from myself - extensive pvping makes one increasingly aggressive. that is something inevitable. leave aside observing it on myself, i have even seen people who have been very mild, very stable and kind people for the entirety of their 45 year long life turn irritable after taking up pvp. so if that person is not immune from that, i dont think anyone is. I'm entirely immune to it. The trick is to not really care if you lose. Though, I'll admit, that is tricky. Which is one of the many reasons that when I PvP I prefer open world PvP to battlegrounds and warzones or whatever. Less wasted time involved if you lose, more fun if you win (even if there aren't as many direct rewards), and it acts more as a way to break up questing than as a constant thing. I mean, there's also the fact that it's just a lot less regimented and free form, and therefore more fun to me in general, though.
Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good kick to the balls, kid.

Traumahawk

01.22.2012 , 08:05 PM \| #28	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Tic- Seems we are growing though.. Bioware themselves said almost half the playerbase signed up for warzones the first few weeks of the game... Not as much a minority as we were once thought to be. edit: and UO was the greatest game ever Don't count me as part of "we". I do my fair share of PvP, but only because there is an element of tedium with questing (after 30 especially) and I need the daily XP. Can I PvP well? Yes, I can and have. In fact, if the game actually had a REASON to PvP, I might find myself engaging in more. Otherwise, the cesspool of the PvP forum is evidence enough of where the whole mess stands right now. This is a result of copying another game because 5 years ago it worked--before players were exposed to alternate and more meaningful ways of doing things (crafting, PvP, RP elements, &ct.)

tmpearson

01.22.2012 , 08:07 PM \| #29	Quote
Why bother having separate PvP and PvE servers? Solution: If you want to PvP join a PvP server where the classes will continually be **ed with. If you want to PvE join a PvE server and play the game where the classes are not continually **ed with.

Frostvein

01.22.2012 , 08:10 PM \| #30	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Enako the funny thing is, blizzard started heavily moderating their forums back 1-1.5 years ago. and if you go back to their forums now, you wont see much of these types blabbering about in there. as you can guess, most of them have went to other games. and took all the irritation they create with them. like here. Actually, as a regular going forum member, the moderation on there is non-existent compared to these forums. Unless a post has profanity or enough people flag it, they all stay. I've seen more threads locked/deleted in a DAY on these forums then I did in the past 6 months on the WoW ones. No, I am not kidding. However, this shows they are actually reading the forums and taking player feedback into consideration. The WoW forums have no moderation because no Blizzard Devs read them anymore outside of once every 2-3 weeks to make it look like they give a crap.
Meanwhile, in Tera general chat - "The sad thing is, arguing with fanbois on the forums was more entertaining than their 300 million dollar single player MMO from 2008"

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