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It's time to address the imbalance issue BioWare

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It's time to address the imbalance issue BioWare

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pawestman
01.22.2012 , 07:41 PM | #121
Quote: Originally Posted by zomgprophett View Post
Then it comes down to the lesser of two evils. Within the first month of a games life, where plenty of copies are still to be sold, I don't think any side should gain a specific advantage. WH didn't do it until well after it's release, no MMO should be THIS concerned about it within the first month. No content should be specifically developed for it yet. Rates shouldn't be adjusted yet. None of that, if people are rerolling because of foresight of imbalance, then what if the majority of them aren't 50 yet? On Swiftsure in 10-49 bracket, Republic STOMPS Empire nonstop. Give it time, stop rushing to conclusions about needing X and Y to fix Z. That's exactly what kills MMO's.
No, what kills is MMO is ignoring obvious problems. There's a reason they made the announcement about Ilum. Because it's clear that the imbalanced population is a serious problem on almost every PvP server.

You say that no side should gain any advantage, but as it stands, Empire has the advantage.

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SignifyZ
01.22.2012 , 07:42 PM | #122
Quote: Originally Posted by pawestman View Post
We need to hear something from you soon. It's pretty obvious a large chunk of the player base is starting to get impatient. It has gotten to the point where players don't have a lot to do once they hit 50. As much as I like the story, I couldn't stand doing all the questing zones so soon. I'm not saying fix it next patch, but we need to know that you understand that there's a problem, and that you're actively trying to think of solutions.

There has been a load of suggestions, and almost all of them would help to an extent. A few that have come across the boards include:

- Create a new playable race that would attract a LARGE number of players on the Republic side ONLY. This includes Wookiees, Ewoks, Yoda's race, etc.

- Give bonus experience, valor, and commendations to the underpopulated side (mostly Republic). This could be an increase of 20%. This alone would help the suffering side to catch up in gear, and it will attract Empire players that are on the verge of re-rolling.

- Take away same faction vs. same faction warzones. This seems to be the most drastic decision. This will upset Empire, and it will further hurt small servers. At the very least, DO NOT make the next warzone same faction vs. same faction like you planned.

- Increase the chance of the RNG bags for the underpopulated side. With the vast gear disparity, I feel this would help out. Increase the chances by ~10-15%.

- Bring back the old dailies until the population balances out. Ilum is becoming near pointless for both sides at this point. Neither side can complete their dailies in a reasonable amount of time.

- Allow faction transfers. Probably the least likely decision. Would require too much re-coding, and it would clash with the lore. My suggestion would be to allow the transfer, but reset the story line altogether. This way they can complete it and enjoy it, and it wouldn't be too difficult to do.

- Introduce a third faction. Some will agree this is the best solution, some will hate it. A third faction is a self-balancing tool. If one side is too strong, the other two can work together. Probably won't happen, but we can wish.

There are probably more, but you get the point. We have given you a huge list of ideas, and I think it's time you clue us in as to what your plans are.
You made a lot of good points, I dont think that the RNG bags should be increased for the lower population faction, just because they have less people doesnt mean they are less geared, in warzones republic spanks empire on my server, but we **** them on ilum simply because we outnumber them

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pawestman
01.22.2012 , 07:45 PM | #123
Quote: Originally Posted by RemyDMartin View Post
Well if you are going to start I guess it's fair game.

Yet another Crying and Complaining thread. How about I have an idea. Quit playing.

Only a month in...I repeat month.

Let me guess, you have no life?

Don't answer that. You are already at level 50 and complaining about not wanting to start a new toon for sake of story...

Seriously though...you are obviously another person who expect waaay to much from this game.

Eventually things will balance out...but maybe you don't know about patience?

I suggest you quit playing like the people from Republic who were ************ about patch 1.1 PvP ... only to have it fixed literally the next day.

You want them to come out with an expansion pack we all have to pay 60 bucks for immediately? Already?

How about this idea...play another game and then play this one less.

Oh, but this would be too easy because SWTOR "is" your life. I certainly couldn't dare suggest you get one (a life) ...

But, what do I know...I am only level 30 something with three alts at level 26-7 and a few spares at level 10. A person who understands this is new born MMORPG ...
Making assumptions =/= making an argument. Good try though. With as many alts as you have, you have played more than me.

Get a life.

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zomgprophett
01.22.2012 , 07:48 PM | #124
Quote: Originally Posted by pawestman View Post
No, what kills is MMO is ignoring obvious problems. There's a reason they made the announcement about Ilum. Because it's clear that the imbalanced population is a serious problem on almost every PvP server.

You say that no side should gain any advantage, but as it stands, Empire has the advantage.
It has an advantage because of PLAYER CHOICE, not because of developer intent. Imbalances on Ilum? Did you completely skip the part where I stated most of us who have rerolled on PvP servers are most likely 25-40?

Remind me again how long this game has been out? A month right? ONE month, correct?

And you're already saying that BW needs to come out with content specifically for one side? Really? That they need to adjust rates because, out of the course of the initial subscribers, that there is an imbalance? Seriously? And the fact that you're apparently not open to discussion on the topic. Keeping the attitude of "It's my way or nothing" is rather ignorant, don't you think?

Think things through buddy, and think hard. This game cost how much money to make? Upwards of 200m USD right? And you're already saying that they need to come out with FACTION specific content, due to imbalance? No, they don't need to. This is how balance works. Either get use to it or move on.

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RemyDMartin
01.22.2012 , 07:49 PM | #125
Quote: Originally Posted by Grinnnz View Post
You act like the good side being imbalanced is a new thing. this happens in all mmos.
Thats why i rolled empire. That and i rolled with other hardcore pvpers ive played with for the last 5 years.

evil side will always have the better pvpers and usually the good side has the better pvers (care bears).

Wow had the same problem but has gotten better by introducing arenas which hid the problem of imbalance.

Short answer, there is no fix other than to give yu something else to do that takes your mind off the imbalance.

A side note; recently i have been playing alot of huttball on swiftsure and i play against alot of empire with a few republic scattered about. Its happening everywhere.
Funny I played "vanilla (as the kids are calling it these days)" world of warcraft back in the day before it got ridiculous and remember being one of the few horde in a mass of "good guy" alliance...
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Lealz
01.22.2012 , 07:50 PM | #126
Support this 100% you've got some really good ideas. I'm pretty sure if they made a Yoda race for republic only there would be a lot more republic players. =p
Cause we got Deathstar

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pawestman
01.22.2012 , 07:51 PM | #127
Quote: Originally Posted by zomgprophett View Post
It has an advantage because of PLAYER CHOICE, not because of developer intent. Imbalances on Ilum? Did you completely skip the part where I stated most of us who have rerolled on PvP servers are most likely 25-40?

Remind me again how long this game has been out? A month right? ONE month, correct?

And you're already saying that BW needs to come out with content specifically for one side? Really? That they need to adjust rates because, out of the course of the initial subscribers, that there is an imbalance? Seriously? And the fact that you're apparently not open to discussion on the topic. Keeping the attitude of "It's my way or nothing" is rather ignorant, don't you think?

Think things through buddy, and think hard. This game cost how much money to make? Upwards of 200m USD right? And you're already saying that they need to come out with FACTION specific content, due to imbalance? No, they don't need to. This is how balance works. Either get use to it or move on.
Good thing you're not a developer. Your game would die instantly.

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RemyDMartin
01.22.2012 , 07:53 PM | #128
Quote: Originally Posted by pawestman View Post
Making assumptions =/= making an argument. Good try though. With as many alts as you have, you have played more than me.

Get a life.
BAhahahahaha you're hilarious. Obviously, you like mirrors because all you did was deflect/reflect exactly what I said about you...goon one

I don't assume anything. I just make statement with blatant disregard for obvious reasons...

although guess what I wrote rang a bit of truth for you to reply ... like I said: Quit.

we don't need you in the Republic.
Old Woman:"I sense great conflict in your heart. It is by no mere chance we met. The force is at work."
Remy D:"And what of it? You Jedi are all the same, self righteous.Yet, one blaster shot and you still bleed;just like the rest of us."

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GeLopez
01.22.2012 , 07:56 PM | #129
Kind of weird the OP doesn't include introducing faction population caps to Ilum, considering that's the most sensible solution.
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zomgprophett
01.22.2012 , 07:59 PM | #130
Quote: Originally Posted by pawestman View Post
Good thing you're not a developer. Your game would die instantly.
No reasoning behind your post eh? No counter arguments? I see you can't provide any arguments to support your side after the negatives of your ideas are pointed out. Glad you're not a developer, because with the way you want BW to throw money around for developing content specifically for one side after the first month of release due to imbalance is just childish, ignorant, and jumping the gun way too early. Once you take your argument to WAR, stating that it helped is where I knew you had absolutely no idea of how balance works.

It's a proven fact that doing nothing pisses people off, but giving one side a clear advantage to the other does not infact promote rerolling, it induces anger in the opposite side, frustration, which would lead to people quitting. You NEVER do that, ever.

Please, next time you make a thread where a discussion can take place over balance, bring valid points to an argument and try not to deviate to "No you're wrong, I'm right."

This was NOT caused by BW, this was caused by the players. The players; therefore should fix the problem.

Good day.