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This game badly needs mods and macros.


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ShoelessHobo
01.22.2012 , 05:39 PM | #761
Now to aid my arguement I will use WoW addons so don't get pissed.


I don't want addons like the following...



- Omen
- Recount
- Gearscore
- DBM


All I really want is addons that allow me to customize the UI I mean the likes of Grid, Bartender, CC timer and things that allow me to customize the UI and make it look better for what I am doing. I mean I don't need a linear line of moves when I am healing I only need a little square pushed to the side all keybinded and a nice large ops frame front and center that has the health bars of who I am healing maximized and can at least flash and change color when I debuff is popped. I can perfectly see boss particle effects and aggro is not a problem. Damage mesurement does not seem like a problem in this game seeing how I have not seen any enrage mechanics in flashpoints and threat is simple to keep so ideally all people want is the ability to make a UI that fits their classes needs and the basic SWTOR UI is not cutting it.
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drcancerman
01.22.2012 , 05:52 PM | #762
Quote: Originally Posted by Cairenn View Post
*bangs her head on her desk* Reading comprehension is a good thing.

I'm not backpeddling. He and I weren't talking about Warbuddy. We were discussing the correct technical definition of the word "hack" as opposed to the definition that most non-programming people use.

As I keep trying to explain (why I keep banging my head against this wall I'm really not sure some days ...) is that AddOns aren't 'third party programs', 'cheats', 'exploits', etc. and so on. (In fact, we recently printed up tshirts about all the things people think addons can do.)

Back to my original point - warbuddy is a cheat. Addons aren't.

but...but..but... I wanted my gnome to get taller and have cows raining from the sky with Uzi's! aww... I'm so sad right now!

Ok, on a more serious note; I wholeheartedly agree with you. Remember bejeweled for the flight path? Had fun there :P We desperately need something like auctioneer for swtor. and something to get that damn companion's bar out of my quickslots, and stance bars... ohh a lot!
So, in other words, we need mods

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DLJLoyd
01.22.2012 , 08:43 PM | #763
Only thing this game NEEDS ( in my opinion ) is a ui scaling option and some form of healing addon similar to clique from wow.

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darthcavy
01.23.2012 , 12:28 AM | #764
Personally would love to have bar add on's , so i can put my bars where I want on the screen.
movable frames , all i use in wow.
current style of key binding works well

I like recount so i can adjust my rotation so i am not a detriment to the raid , ie. in 10 man dragon soul was only pulling 25k dps as frost 5-7k behind the rest of the raid . switched to unholy and was able to bring it over 30k . with out recount to show dps i can't see how i would know to improve the rotation/spec .still did not make me top dps either , just helped me pull my own weight.

no need for a bag add on because inventory is perfect now , not max level so i can't say weather i would use dbm/omen tho i don't in wow , i can see how they are nice for players that have trouble not standing in fire , i would rather have some of my raid using these two if needed so i could clear the content

would like to be able to make some macro's.

while i use add ons in arena in wow to watch cd's , enemy proc's, trinket cool downs to help stay competitive , would not like to see anything like this allowed.

add ons like spell flash (flashes the abilities on your bar ) for sure not

I don't believe that add ons are killing wow , its 7 years old . people grow up , change interest .Guild transfer servers / glads transfer
I know i hand full of people switching to swtor (my self included ) due to the pop on the server being too low .

that's my two cents

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dargor-
01.23.2012 , 12:38 AM | #765
Addons like

Omen
Recount
Healbot
Bartender
Power Auras

Are all pretty much quality of life addons that are needed in order to make a MMO more fun than tedious.

I'd be fine if those were all added in trough the game client, but honestly, it would be a hundred time more time effective for the devs to just release an API and let the players build those for themselves while the dev team focuses on bug hunting and new content
Quote: Originally Posted by Creslan
And PVP hardcores are second class citizens. You're like the guest that won't leave and can't take a hint your not wanted so you just hang around making it miserable for everyone else at the party.
Indeed.

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Piriste
01.23.2012 , 12:53 AM | #766
Quote: Originally Posted by Nemmar View Post
I think they have a pulse in the community. That is why they havent allowed it.

Whoever is in favor of addons is just beeing selfish and they know it. It will bring nothing of positive to the game. Stop thinking only of whats good for you only, and think about whats good for everyone playing the game.

I'm all in favor of UI improvements and Bioware is working on it. Gladly we dont have a lazy developer like blizzard, so we really dont need addons to come and ruin the game balance and design.
Dude, how does making an ADDON API somehow magically screw the game balance?

this is what most people dont understand, blizzard allowed the game mechanics to be altered, if they didnt, they wouldnt have been.

Boss mods, dps meters, healbot everything WAS ALLOWED.

The Addon API doesnt need to give access to that kind of stuff.

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Jopster
01.23.2012 , 01:03 AM | #767
[QUOTE=DevonDs;1655653]
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackardin View Post
Once again, not true. Well, depends on the fights you are doing. Have you done Ragnaros? Have you progressed through Litch king? Have you tried some of the timing fights in Cata without Boss mods present? Have you done them on heroic? Have you tried to lead a progression raid not knowing exactly what your dps are doing, exactly when the fire was going to hit? or wiped at 1 or 2%?

Again, my contention is that mods ramp up content. Content becomes ramped up to the point where it will not be completed without


This is why the " if you don't like them don't use them" argument is invalid to me. Allowing mods in means the balance of difficulty changes for the entire game, whether I use them or not.
If healing is too difficult then the amount that is healed, cool down times etc. Need to be changed for the entire game.
If people really can't heal without mods, the problem isnt with the mods it is that the game itself needs adjusting.

Yes the UI may be kind of clunky, and it currently is a clunky that all players have to deal with. Mods do not make a game better, mods give an extra edge to those who use them.
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Some of us never used healbot and stuff like that while healing through heroic progress raiding in WoW, I only used X-perl unit frames to customize raid ui and target bars etc and what buffs/debuffs I wanted to show and removed the crap I didn`t need.

Being able to customize your UI the way you want it makes alot of the game more fun for the majority of players.

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Kenmuir
01.23.2012 , 01:52 AM | #768
Quote: Originally Posted by ShoelessHobo View Post
Now to aid my arguement I will use WoW addons so don't get pissed.


I don't want addons like the following...



- Omen
- Recount
- Gearscore
- DBM


All I really want is addons that allow me to customize the UI I mean the likes of Grid, Bartender, CC timer and things that allow me to customize the UI and make it look better for what I am doing. I mean I don't need a linear line of moves when I am healing I only need a little square pushed to the side all keybinded and a nice large ops frame front and center that has the health bars of who I am healing maximized and can at least flash and change color when I debuff is popped. I can perfectly see boss particle effects and aggro is not a problem. Damage mesurement does not seem like a problem in this game seeing how I have not seen any enrage mechanics in flashpoints and threat is simple to keep so ideally all people want is the ability to make a UI that fits their classes needs and the basic SWTOR UI is not cutting it.
What's the difference between Grid, Bartender, Power Auras(CC Timers) and Omen, Recount, GearScore, DBM?

Grid -> move the raid frames into positions you want, size you want, display buffs/debuffs you want
Bartender -> move the ability pages to anywhere you want, create any number of them that you want
Power Auras -> Highlight the buffs/debuffs that you think are important

Compared to:
Omen -> display the threat of you current target in the way you want
Recount -> display the combat log in the way you want, filter for information you think is important, easier to read than 10k lines of text
GearScore -> display the inspect panel in the way you want, highlighting the stats that are important
DBM -> display the raidwarnings in a way that you want

Seems like the same kind of addon to me.

But in a technical sense, how would you distinguish between Power Auras and Recount? Both look at the combat log and I assume use basically the same API calls, so how would you disable one and not the other? Or does your hatred for Recount allow you to let go of the usefulness of Power Auras.

The addon that I want most is BuffHead from WAR, it displays buffs/debuffs that you select on top of the target you have selected and yourself.

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dargor-
01.23.2012 , 08:19 AM | #769
[QUOTE=Jopster;2043638]
Quote: Originally Posted by DevonDs View Post

Some of us never used healbot and stuff like that while healing through heroic progress raiding in WoW, I only used X-perl unit frames to customize raid ui and target bars etc and what buffs/debuffs I wanted to show and removed the crap I didn`t need.

Being able to customize your UI the way you want it makes alot of the game more fun for the majority of players.
The majority wants Addons, as demonstrated trough Polls over and over again.
Quote: Originally Posted by Creslan
And PVP hardcores are second class citizens. You're like the guest that won't leave and can't take a hint your not wanted so you just hang around making it miserable for everyone else at the party.
Indeed.

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Manchuwook
01.23.2012 , 09:05 AM | #770
Quote: Originally Posted by darthcavy View Post
no need for a bag add on because inventory is perfect now
Inventory is quite far from perfect.

I have to log out for one character to a second or third one to know whether I have an armor mod crafted from last night, or maintain a spreadsheet outside of the game to keep inventory. There are AddOns in other games that keep that data in a centralised repository so I can look at it on any character. I'd also like to be able to sort crystals (my main is Artifice) so I can tell whether I'm low on a gathering mat or if I need purchased crafting mats. Any time I have to alt-tab out of the game to use a third party tool (such as Excel) that could be instead replaced with an in-game tool - the better.
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