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Why so few Snipers?

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Why so few Snipers?

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Kusumura
01.22.2012 , 07:28 AM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by dcgregorya View Post
Here's why in short.

- Mercenary is easy. Sniper is hard.

- Mercenary can respec healing, sniper cannot.

- Mercenary survives easier than sniper.

Basically, mercenary > sniper.

Repeat points 1-3 for sorceror.

I play gunslinger, and I often get top damage and top kills, but I *work* for it. I've got so many keybinds I have to add shift+keybind around my main WASD keys just to use everything I need to use to stay alive and do my job. On top of that, I have to content with cover in place refusing to work for several seconds at a time and tab-targeting just being utterly terrible for dealing with stealthers who come up upon you. I need fast reflexes to do my job and the game is too stuttery and buggy at the moment.

So the long story short is that mercs/sorcs do everything a sniper/gunslinger does, but they do it better and with less effort.
QFT, my brother, although I'm a Gunslinger. Always in the top three for damage/objective points. The amount of effort I put in, compared to what the other classes that always top me in rankings do, though? It really kills my *****. No matter how hard I try, no matter how good my match was, there will ALWAYS be that one sodding p**** above me that rolled the face-roller class (Trooper, Consular, Knight. All the same, really) and beat me.

Mind you, whenever I can, I watch everybody in the match out of the corner of my eye to see who to give my MVP to. You know irritating it is when the Trooper that's been keyboard turning and clicking his skills the entire match actually beats me, all because I won't become beholden to the buggy and inoperable nerf-device of, "Cover?" I don't care if 3/4 of my true DPS is essentially teased away from me. But the fact that I work THAT hard for it?

One of my guildies (A Trooper, that I wipe the floor with each and every time mind you) complained to me about all of their skills having channel times, I kept my thoughts inside because, hey, he's a guildie, and he's never played a terrible, unbalanced and useless class before. But what were my thoughts?

"You have the GAUL to b**** and moan to me about cast times? Yeah. My three main attack skills are instant. And you know what? You resist the lot of them, and I only do about 2/3 of the apparent damage they're all meant to do. Most of my actual skills, I have to sacrifice for mobility so I can kite you.
I can't push you back, but you can. I can't DPS against you, since both my skills are forbidden to me, AND you resist it all anyway. I can't resist you, except for fifteen seconds where I might absorb a little damage with my shields. I can't get away from you, since you'll just pull me back in. You have all of those advantages PERMANENTLY over me, so if you have a cast time - a three second window that I have to **** of your range - then that should be my damn right."
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Bejita
01.22.2012 , 07:57 AM | #72
The snipers are the second most OP class right after sorcs, after the operative nerfs

The reason they have to use cover is because they have the most overpowered ranged burst in the game and tons of survivability and CC immunities whill in cover, snipers being used in groups have amazing results and make the other classes look useless

If you are just a random solo noob then pick another class more suited to you like the tracer missle class, its a group based class so get over it, and no they arent underpowered not by a long shot

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Gaidax
01.22.2012 , 08:15 AM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by Alkei View Post
Flashbang -GCD- + Cover + Adrenal + Relic + Explosive Probe -GCD- >Ambush -2.5sec->Snipe -GCD or 1.5 sec cast- >Followthrough -GCD- >Leg Shot -GCD- >SoS -3sec channel- >Takedown

Do you really face a lot of people who calmly eat that dmg staying in place for all that time? Lucky you...
Considering they sit there mezzed for a fat part of this whole thing - yes... Heck even Leg Shot + all that works just fine, if not better, since only desperate people blow their cc breaker on root.

Honestly SoS is usually an overkill, even without that you will already be at the Takedown range.

And it yes it all works just fine, feel free to try - I have popped quite a few decent healers with this combo... It is golden in premade vs premade for a simple reason that healers are already pressured to keep up, so their awareness is lower.

If the target pops cc breaker and gets away while you charge up, in which case you can just switch to another squishie and 3 shot him.

Heck with all the above I so far had a record shot of 6.3k with Ambush alone on a level 50 Sorc healer and 5k Ambushes are like normal that way.

Worst case scenario is 6k damage in a single second timestamp with Ambush, Probe, Instant Snipe/Ft - that is like if nothing crits. If everything crits, it puts even Operative burst to shame.


Really, you may claim that I am living in a dream world with idiot enemies, but it does not cancel the fact that Sniper can burst the crap out of stuff on a whole different level from what Sorc or Merc can manage.
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Haajib
01.22.2012 , 08:16 AM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by Bejita View Post
The snipers are the second most OP class right after sorcs, after the operative nerfs

The reason they have to use cover is because they have the most overpowered ranged burst in the game and tons of survivability and CC immunities whill in cover, snipers being used in groups have amazing results and make the other classes look useless

If you are just a random solo noob then pick another class more suited to you like the tracer missle class, its a group based class so get over it, and no they arent underpowered not by a long shot
there bursts are insane, i give you that. But once you run into a sniper with your sword, aka run behind him so he cant shoot. he is worthless
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Gaidax
01.22.2012 , 08:26 AM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by Haajib View Post
there bursts are insane, i give you that. But once you run into a sniper with your sword, aka run behind him so he cant shoot. he is worthless
Huh? We can shoot in any direction just fine... There is also the much whined about auto target lock for everything we have, so you can run through us, behind us, jump and make faces - it won't cancel the cast.
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_Exroath_
01.22.2012 , 08:30 AM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by Bejita View Post
The snipers are the second most OP class right after sorcs, after the operative nerfs

The reason they have to use cover is because they have the most overpowered ranged burst in the game and tons of survivability and CC immunities whill in cover, snipers being used in groups have amazing results and make the other classes look useless

If you are just a random solo noob then pick another class more suited to you like the tracer missle class, its a group based class so get over it, and no they arent underpowered not by a long shot

tons of survivability and cc immunites ?

Care to tell me those? we have a knock back and we have a cc block ..

Explain to me again why im op?

oh and all my abilities can be absorbed by shields and all are affected by armor?

Try playing a sniper at lvl 50 then try again

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Haajib
01.22.2012 , 08:31 AM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by Gaidax View Post
Huh? We can shoot in any direction just fine... There is also the much whined about auto target lock for everything we have, so you can run through us, behind us, jump and make faces - it won't cancel the cast.
i cant snipe when i take cover and they walk up behind me?
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CommandoPower
01.22.2012 , 08:35 AM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by Mitchyslick View Post
Lethality snipers are ok in PUGs, can do good damage numbers. But if your against any decent players, your dots are gonna get purged and have fun with your 12 second main dot cool down. Snipers are gimp right now.
If your healers have time to purge my continually applied DOTs then my team is plainly not doing their job. Remember lethality and dirty fighting specs get 2 energy for every DOT crit and IMO should have puglism up at all times via 2 spent talent points in the heal tree.

As well if you really don't think I'm a threat I'm not being focused. If you are focusing me it's likely because I'm doing my job. Also, as great as shrap bomb/corrosive bomb is, do not be fooled. Corrosive Dart/Vital Shot is still our bread and butter and that is nothing if not spammable.


Beyond everything else though, my job as DOT spec is not to destroy people on my own. I hold my own and I can lay down the hurt, especially on DOT weakened opponents, but my biggest strength is that I open the door for team mates to wreck shop. Either my damage needs to be constantly healed or dispelled or burst damage has it's door swung not only swung open but ripped off. If your healing/dispelling my damage then that is GCD's that you could be spending on other things, especially since I'm just going to re-apply anyways.





Quote: Originally Posted by Alkei View Post
I'd really like to see you "taking down quickly" 20k hp tank with his shield and +def ability up carrying the ball. You can't? Correct. But that tank can't mitigate or deflect missile or lightning. So who would you pick up for your premade if you're any smart?
That is an issue that goes far beyond just snipers/gunslingers and I expect it to be adjusted.
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Gaidax
01.22.2012 , 08:36 AM | #79
Quote: Originally Posted by Haajib View Post
i cant snipe when i take cover and they walk up behind me?
Snipe harder then... It works just fine...

If Snipers would not be able to shoot at things opposite to their cover position, I would be the first to QQ about it.
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Wreksan
01.22.2012 , 08:45 AM | #80
Cover system.