Slippery Slope

You don't understand how much players are Empire.

You leave illum, you come back, someone spots you, out of the over 150 empire players on illum, 10 players target you and insta drop you.

You can say all you want about how things could've changed, but the end result was you die, you go right back to the spawn where more AOE's kill you with no escape other than to not go to illum.

It was blantly exploiting the system to farm valor.

Blame BioWare for overlooking this. Not the Empire.

What do you want Bioware to do? Force people to stop playing empire?

The problem right now with ilum is the major factional imbalance that BioWare has no control over.

Blame BioWare for overlooking this. Not the Empire.

No, there are several things they could do though.

First, implement a better defense at the enemy base. Increase gun damage, make them invulnerable. Make it instant death. Or put a protective shield around the base that only one faction can enter, when not in combat. This prevents enemy players from entering the base, while at the same time preventing players from exiting the base, shooting up players then running back in without any repercussions. Place the gun turrets near the entrance to the base as well so players can't just stand outside the base and wait for players to come out and kill them.

Second, make diminishing returns on valor in PvP.

Finally, lower the count of kills required for the quest while at the same time changing it to where you can get the quest done through other means. IE, have guards that patrol around the zone you can kill for no valor but get the quest rewards done. They did this in WoW in Wintergrasp.

Hav you even been to ilum lately? Oh wait no cuz you havent gotten to 50. They already implemented invulerable turrets, enemy players insta die when they get close the enemies base. The republic players contribute to their camping in their base. They sit there and play along with the imps that are at their door. If they dont want to be camped then fly out to the other 2 points and fight there.

As for this quest change to make the kill count smaller.. ook i can see that but this "kill the guard which is an npc"? no thanks. This will lead to a PvE farm of the guards and no real pvp would go on just like it was before. As for valor diminishing returns, this exists as well already.

So many bad analogies, and so many fallascious arguments. As debates go-- this one is amusing. Couple questions:

1. What is the claim?
2. What is the evidence?

Prompting thoughts:
Without getting to meta-ethical-- can we define the qualifiers of good, bad, right, and wrong in the context of this discussion?

My simple observation, without getting emotional about the morality of "fair":
Game designers made a couple of critical mistakes. These mistakes were capitalized on by some. Conversely, these mistakes caused an undesirable set of circumstances for others. The creators of the circumstances that led to this event(s) are attempting to mitigate their mistakes by "possibly" removing some of the benefits that were capitalized on.

This is simply the framework of the facts.

Now the real fun begins. Morality -

1. Did the capitalizing individuals act immorally or amorally?
2. How do we define the cultural values of a PVP server in an MMO to determine this, and - most imortantly - do we agree? If we can't agree-- there is no merit to continue the argument, because then we are arguing about something else.

Discuss!