This game badly needs mods and macros.

*bangs her head on her desk* Reading comprehension is a good thing.

I'm not backpeddling. He and I weren't talking about Warbuddy. We were discussing the correct technical definition of the word "hack" as opposed to the definition that most non-programming people use.

As I keep trying to explain (why I keep banging my head against this wall I'm really not sure some days ...) is that AddOns aren't 'third party programs', 'cheats', 'exploits', etc. and so on. (In fact, we recently printed up tshirts about all the things people think addons can do.)

Back to my original point - warbuddy is a cheat. Addons aren't.

This is what's wrong with the anti-macro/addon crowd as a whole. Do some research before saying something is bad.

Note: addons USE IN-GAME INFORMATION. So your point is invalid.

My honest belief is that BW will add in macros and addons at some point in time.

But right now I cannot fathom them even thinking about adding them, the game literally CHUGS right now it is not running smooth.


Its like a very talented fat boy playing soccer the skill is there but he just cant keep up the pace.



Having any kind of addon I am afraid would make this game explode

As for macros given the current ability delay....yeah forget about it not gonna happen

BW needs to severely optimize their game right now and im pretty sure they know this as they have pretty much confirmed it.

IF they ever get it to a point where they feel confident then I am 100% sure we will see addons and macros.

I wouldn't mind having an intercede macro.

I will agree that opening up the API to mess with various UI elements with Lua scripting (possibly Lua + XML like how WoW does it) will ultimately allow the devs to crowd source their UI - so we all win there.

However, I'd rather not see anything like Gearscore, or any add-on that touches the combat log (should it ever exist).

As far as macros go, completely unneeded.

Sounds like some addons trivialize difficulty, as indicated by being able to down content easier.

It's called situational awareness.

In other words, everyone is watching debuffs, watching boss buffs/debuffs, and seeing if anything needs to be paid attention to. A great example are the LotRO timebombs known as eyes, and how people deal with them correctly. There's no addon in the world that's going to save you if you get an eye and don't respond correctly. And sometimes, you need to stop progress to mess with the mechanics.

I think this about covers the anti-modders arguments. If I missed one lemme know and I'll update it. If you are against mods/addons, pick your argument below.

#Macros/addons aren't needed.
-That depends on your definition of 'need'. We're all playing this game (or any game) to have fun, and the more we can tailor the game to suit our individual play styles, the more enjoyment we'll all get out of it. If enjoying a game isn't important to you then why are you playing it at all?

#Macros/addons break the game!
-False! Addons don't provide any information not already available in the game, and macros cannot press buttons for you. They are so players can customize the information being presented to them in a way they prefer.

#Addons make the game unfair!
-How can something be unfair when it's available to everyone?

#I don't have time to download addons/I don't know how!
-If you have time to read this, you have time to download it. Don't have time to look at the settings for your new addon? Try it next time you're on a speeder path. Don't know how? You found this forum, it's not much harder than that.

#I don't want to be forced to deal with people looking at my gearscore or DPS!
-1. they can look at those things already by inspecting you, or watching the fight, so you're already out of luck.
2. If you don't like it, don't download it! Maybe join a guild that doesn't use them (they do exist) instead of trying to force everyone to play the game YOU want. The galaxy doesn't revolve around you.

#Addons make the game easymode for noobs.
-If they are a noob they won't bother downloading the addon in the first place, and if they did they wouldn't know how to use it properly anyways. Finally if it DID make the game easymode they wouldn't be a noob anymore (which we all know doesn't happen) and suddenly the game is filled with people who actually know how to run a flashpoint. How is that a bad thing? If a game is only fun for you based on how hard it is to learn/play why aren't you playing Ninja Gaiden blindfolded?

#Addons can be used to hack/cheat the game.
-Yes, some can, but Bioware can simply ban the addon. This serves a second benefit since the time they save in not having to edit the game themselves they can use to fix other things like, say, bugs, or making more content. In a way addons actually help improve the game for everyone.


In summary: If you like the game the way it is, great! This issue doesn't affect you since you could just not download anything and keep playing it the way it is. For the rest of us (and according to the polls, the majority of us) we'd like to play the game how we prefer, and who are you to say we can't?

^^ this.

Considering the interface of this game terrible, addons will only help. I for one am not confident BW can provide a UI that I would consider satisfactory to my needs.

They've missed on alot of normal things that should be in an mmo, they've fumbled the ball on many things when it comes to this game.

Gawd, I hate Lua so much. Any language that doesn't have command terminators (I'm looking at you, Visual Basic) drives me batty. I hope and pray every day that they are looking at some ECMA standard language. http://code.google.com/p/v8/

Gimme case-switch, JSON/BSON/JSONP, and command-line terminators so I don't claw my eyes out having to write any more Lua script for my AddOn.

EDIT: Interesting, looks like it is HSL ( http://wiki.heroengine.com/wiki/HSL_for_programmers )

Did you bother reading my other post?

No? Didn't think so.