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You deflect from my point.

Which is regardless of whether this is legal behaviour, you are still a bad person. No amount shouting how it was allowed within the game changes this.

This had nothing to do with the argument, he tried to point out that the only reason this happened was because republic let it happen, therefore they were to blame.

Which is wrong and I told him as much.

I believe you are switching up 'have' and 'am'. Easy mistake, I do it all the time with 'have' and 'are'.

But, at what point does your "PvP server. Deal with it." take into account human decency? Should you never feel for someone you've so thoroughly beaten that they have no chance?

I doubt a single complaint by someone spawn-camped went.. "Waaah, there's too many of them!" If it did, what they should have said was.. "Waaah, I CAN"T GET OUT OF THIS ZONE! THEY WON"T LET ME LEAVE."

I return to my crime analogies. What was happening was a group of people were holding someone (even if they were separated by a computer screen) against their will, in a place they no longer wished to be.

So, we've compared this situation to both kidnapping and looting.

What you are trying to say is "You rolled on a PvP server. That means I get to do whatever I want to you." Classy.

Maybe I should start with animal analogies... I've got a great shark one.

But, I won't. Because, you believe that you are 'pure' PvP, and all those (a term I am loathe to use, but I'm sure it floating in your head) 'carebears' should go back to WoW. Which means that you posted on this forum your views, which you believe to be undeniable, so you could find a pat on the back.

And, I'm not going to give it to you, because like the person before me said.

Just admit it. You have a giant dick.

Im sorry but in this regard i have to side with the people engaging in killing others at their spawn point. Dont like it? log off, leave world. NO ONE is forcing you to be ganked over and over again. That is just plain hubris on your part. It is like ramming your head against a brick wall and expecting the wall to move.

Actually according to the Terms of Use they could just cancel your account with no refund and move to dismiss the suit without prejudice.

Now I'm not sure the latter would fly in every courtroom, but the former certainly would.

You might even find your Origin account closed.

Plain and simple, this doesn't state that the exploitation has to be intentional. Yes, you are correct that, in certain situations, it may be unclear as to what is or is not intended. The point is that it doesn't matter. If an action seems questionable, don't do it. If you honestly think that players committing the acts on Ilum didn't know that they were exploiting a design flaw, you're very naive. Most people have the sense to be able to tell if they are exploiting a design flaw or not.

Plain and simple, the rules say to not screw with stuff like design flaws and bugs. If you do it, you should be punished.

EDIT: Edited to get rid of the stupid profanity filer crap.

Really? Cause when I played vanilla, I actually reported that player daily for almost a month. I went so far as to call their customer service department. They did nothing, not even a slap on the hand.

The only time I ever got yelled at for "griefing" was when I did the Paladin Doom Lord Kazzak bomb, teleporting from Hellfire Peninsula to Stormwind and blowing myself up next to the mail box killing Alliance players (my record was 27).

Good for you. PvP server states that we can engage in PvP without punishment.

Actually I only corpse camped in WoW on the boat, because the PvP was a joke in that game. I am leveling my Assassin now, already leveled a Juggernaut, and I have yet to "camp" a corpse in this game. I never camped in Aion, Warhammer, etc.

In WoW, it wasn't even against the rules to have a max level player next to the graveyard and kill players who rezzed at the graveyard after having their body camped.

When ICC 25 bugged out and you died and respawned outside at the graveyard, I use to camp the graveyard and when players respawned with 1 health, I'd one shot them. I once took down a 25 man raid of Alliance players from the best guild on the server. My exgirlfriend use to be in that guild too. I guarantee she reported me for it. Blizzard did nothing.

Why? PvP server.

I am not arguing against a person's rights to report. I can report you for having a funny looking avatar. It's just that the resulting ACTION that is going to be taken place is what matters.

I had players report me in WoW too. I use to laugh about it. When I was leveling my Warlock, I had an 80 Death Knight in Thousand Needles gank me. So I got on my 80 Death Knight, chased him all the way to Icecrown, killed him on the gun ship and spent the following half hour refusing to let him off the gunship. He asked me, even threatened to report me. My response? "PvP server. That's what you get for ganking my other character."

Blizzard wouldn't care. The moment you begin to punish and regulate PvP behavior that can be settled through killing the enemy, you break the mechanics of PvP.


You engage in PvP on Illum, correct? It's still PvP, whether it be on a PvP server or PvE server. You aren't FORCED to go to Illum as part of your story line. You can stay nice and cozy on your space station and engage only in Warzones for your PvP gear if you want. You want to do the Illum hard mode flash points? Don't have to leave the base. There is no reason to cross that section to the PvP area on Illum except to engage in PvP. There is literally nothing else over there. No quests, nothing for your crew kills, nothing. Absolutely nothing but PvP.

You however decide to go to Illum and engage in PvP, be prepared to deal with the consequences.

When I switched to Horde, I went out of my way to find the most creative ways to engage in PvP in the game and kill players. Even before I went to Horde, I tried on the Alliance to come up with ways. The only time I ever had Blizzard say "Stop that" was this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4lUdGThBo8

I had a GM message me once and ask me to stop doing it. 3 months after I started doing it. I was notorious on my server too. The trade chat would be spammed with "Horde in Stormwind" or "How did I die, i wasn't PvP active" or "Is Stormwind under attack?" because I could kill the guards too.

Design flaw does not = exploit. Case in point : having warzones that mix level 10's with full geared level 50s was a huge design flaw. Unless players had to take specific actions in order to abuse that design flaw then it falls on the devs. Trying to camp spawn points is frankly very standard pvp especially in shooters.

Just informing you. They couldn't leave planet, and since the game is so new a lot of these players probably only have 1 50 and likely didn't want to play on an alt. The reason they couldn't leave planet is that the spot at which you res is predetermined by where you died, which was right where they resed after dying the previous time. Yes they could have just logged off, but then the option was getting farmed or not playing at all.

I AM NOT SAYING THIS WAS THE KILLER'S FAULT. It was Bioware's fault but just wanted to make sure I clarified that part for you.

EDIT: I had originally said Empire's fault, changed to Killer's fault. It is a habit since I play Republic on a Sith heavy server and there is a lot of "discussion" about this in game too.

This.