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Derivoth
01.21.2012 , 09:50 PM | #141
There are multiple posts stating that actions that ruin other players' enjoyment of the game are against TOS. They are even posting excerpts directly from the TOS that prove their point. Why is this still an argument?

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_Scattered_
01.21.2012 , 09:53 PM | #142
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Doesn't matter, on a PvP server, if I am being butchered non stop, I have no one to blame but myself and my faction.
How can you blame a faction when everyone and their mother rolled empire? How do even take faction rivalry seriously.

At least admit you are a giant dick.

Legal or not, you are a dick. There is no way I would of participated in this, not because it may or may not be legal, but because its the dick thing to do.

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Zoroth
01.21.2012 , 09:53 PM | #143
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It was an exploit. You knew it was wrong. They knew it was wrong. Quit crying, you spoiled children.
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BourbonDingo
01.21.2012 , 09:54 PM | #144
Quote: Originally Posted by Philbert View Post
PvP server counters your TOS argument of harassment. If it came down to a legal battle between the two, BioWare would lose for having a contradiction between the TOS agreement and the server selection screen stating differently.

You can't have your cake, and eat it too. Don't roll on PvP.



Doesn't matter, on a PvP server, if I am being butchered non stop, I have no one to blame but myself and my faction.
So, you are saying that a PvP server should be allowed to descend into anarchy? That someone's enjoyment of the game should only be limited to those with the power to defend themselves, and that those without the power should roll on PvE servers?

Enjoyment on PvP servers, for me, is challenging PvP. We would never have challenging PvP if the griefers were allowed to spawn-kill, chain-kill, quest-block... You know why? Because in the game as it is now, one side is dominating in most servers. Those same people hit 50 on day 1 or 2. They have the power, and if they are allowed to grief with it; those same people will spend their entire game life 'pwning newbies at Goldshire'... I mean Nar Shadaa. That's why making the game balanced and accessible... even on PvP servers, requires intervention every once in a while.
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Philbert
01.21.2012 , 09:57 PM | #145
Quote: Originally Posted by _Scattered_ View Post
So at what population ratio would this not apply?

10:1? 100:1? 1000:1? At what point do you not expect republic to be able to defend.

The fact is there is nothing they could of done about it.

You are also are incapable of appreciating that any republic who comes to the rescue runs the high risk of being spawn camped himself. Something you have not experienced.

Empire players should get it through their heads that we do not play this game so they can earn valor or get their dailies done.
You roll a PvP server, or engage in PvP, that isn't my problem if it is 100 to 1. You chose that server type, or you chose to engage in that behavior.

Why should others be punished for your mistakes?

Quote: Originally Posted by Derivoth View Post
There are multiple posts stating that actions that ruin other players' enjoyment of the game are against TOS. They are even posting excerpts directly from the TOS that prove their point. Why is this still an argument?
It ruined my enjoyment of the game when I attacked a level 46 Jedi Guardian earlier with my level 47 Assassin and 2 level 50s came and killed me. I wanted to fight that Guardian 1 on 1, test my skill against hers. Instead I got ganked. I demand justice be done by BioWare because of this standard they have set against harassment.

Quote: Originally Posted by _Scattered_ View Post
How can you blame a faction when everyone and their mother rolled empire? How do even take faction rivalry seriously.

At least admit you are a giant dick.

Legal or not, you are a dick. There is no way I would of participated in this, not because it may or may not be legal, but because its the dick thing to do.
I admit I have a giant one.

As for your other comments? Too bad, so sad. You chose the side you did, I chose my side. I chose the Sith because I like choking people and shooting lightning. The Jedi Guardian had better animations and fighting moves, the armor I liked better, etc. Hell I might even level one.

On a PvE server.

Back before launch I saw countless posts on the forums of "Which side will you pick?" and it was actually roughly 50/50 Empire vs Republic. Not my fault when it launched it became 90/10.

PvP server. Deal with it.

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Daedalin
01.21.2012 , 09:59 PM | #146
Quote: Originally Posted by Philbert View Post
Those games had no "griefing" rules in PvP. The only time Warhammer ever, to my knowledge, engaged in an intervention was when Destruction found a way to slip into Order's warcamp in the starting area near the Empire and gank players without guards attacking them. This was a clear exploit, as the enemy players knew WALKING into the camp normally resulted in your instant death.
WoW does have griefing rules People get banned quite a bit from wow for griefing.

I've posted the definition to exploit 3 times now. If you cannot read it and comprehend it, then you almost deserve to unknowingly break the rules and get banned.

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If WALKING into an enemy base in this game resulted in your instant death, then someone found a way to GET INTO the base without being detected by guards AND without the guards attacking/engaging in combat, then yes players should/could/would have an argument for punishment.
Again, if you don't comprehend exploit, then you don't really know what your talking about. All bugs can be exploits, but not all exploits can be bugs.

Quote: Originally Posted by Philbert View Post
In WoW, I use to form groups composed of Rogues and tree Druids and we'd sit in Stormwind where PvP players spawned in through the Mage portal tower and instantly kill them. Never got in trouble for it. Why? PvP server, and what we did was fair.
SO THERE IT IS. Your upset because your one of "those" players. A player who wants to corpse camp until the break of dawn, giggling as they spam their 1,3,6, and 9 keys, without any punishment. And maybe you didn't get into trouble because you didn't hinder anyone's playing experience, maybe no one reported you. There isn't game masters watching over every last player...

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I use to stand on the boat between Stormwind and Northrend and kill ANY player that stepped on the boat. The amount of time that it took for a person to run back to the body, the boat would set sail and the "load" screen came up. When the load screen finished, the player would automatically respawn on the boat with around half health. I'd kill them again. I once spent an hour killing the same player while waiting for my ICC raid to start.
Again, that player had the option to report you. It was 1v1 situation, where you gained practically nothing over the opposition. The player you were "camping" had the right to report you, and had the right to leave. Just like the players on Ilum had the right to report it (they did) but DID NOT have the right to leave. Don't you see the difference now?

Quote: Originally Posted by Philbert View Post
If too many players got on the boat in Stormwind, I'd jump off and water walk away. If I was in Northrend, I'd fly away. PvP server, this behavior was acceptable. Even though the Alliance player would respawn on the boat against their will.
Let me tell you this... THE EVENTS IN ILUM DID NOT ONLY OCCUR ON PVP SERVERS. I don't know why your clinging onto this notion.

Let's say by some shadow of a doubt someone at Bioware said "He makes sense!" And decided not to punish those on PVP servers, what about the PVE, and RPVE servers?

Don't you see why your logic is flawed? Your trying to cover an entire topic, with ONE sentence, that doesn't pertain to the whole issue. Much less the actual issue at all.

Quote: Originally Posted by Philbert View Post
On my first server, there was a Troll Priest, who would spend hours, literally HOURS a day, mind controlling players off the boat in vanilla WoW when it was far enough at sea that they'd die from fatigue.

On any given day you could go on the forums on that specific server and see at least one thread devoted to QQ about him. Blizzard knew this and did nothing. Why? Because it was a PvP server. Got a problem? Kill him. Can't kill him? Get more people together and do it. Problem solved.
The issue here with your example, is you cannot prove nothing was done. Punishments have always been hush hush in MMO's. There is literally no way for you to prove he was not punished. There no way for you to prove that it wasn't different priests.

And really, I'm giggling because you think Blizzard doesn't take action against griefers. I've personally known and been guilded to a few people who have had action taken against them. Just because ONE time ONE person decided not to report you, doesn't mean squat. It just means your lucky and ran into someone who didn't realize your breaking the rules.

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Grimshock
01.21.2012 , 10:00 PM | #147
Quote: Originally Posted by Philbert View Post
PvP server counters your TOS argument of harassment. If it came down to a legal battle between the two, BioWare would lose for having a contradiction between the TOS agreement and the server selection screen stating differently.

You can't have your cake, and eat it too. Don't roll on PvP.



Doesn't matter, on a PvP server, if I am being butchered non stop, I have no one to blame but myself and my faction.
You are reading way way to much into one freaking line.

You accepted the TOS when u created an account, that is legally binding. Trust me on this if there was a legal battle bioware would win because in there TOS if you read it carefully they can ban you from there game for whatever reason they want, and when ever the well please.

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_Scattered_
01.21.2012 , 10:01 PM | #148
You know what I do now?

I get me and 3 stealther buddies and we farm the pathetic imps circling central scavenging for armaments. They may zerg every now and then (because we are the only republic player in the zone) but they aren't going to find us, we wait until they leave or separate and continue the farm.

Daily done in less than a hour.

This is what you guys deserve for using overwhelming numbers to completely dominate the opposing faction.

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Waking
01.21.2012 , 10:02 PM | #149
Quote: Originally Posted by Philbert View Post
You roll a PvP server, or engage in PvP, that isn't my problem if it is 100 to 1. You chose that server type, or you chose to engage in that behavior.

Why should others be punished for your mistakes?



It ruined my enjoyment of the game when I attacked a level 46 Jedi Guardian earlier with my level 47 Assassin and 2 level 50s came and killed me. I wanted to fight that Guardian 1 on 1, test my skill against hers. Instead I got ganked. I demand justice be done by BioWare because of this standard they have set against harassment.



I admit I have a giant one.

As for your other comments? Too bad, so sad. You chose the side you did, I chose my side. I chose the Sith because I like choking people and shooting lightning. The Jedi Guardian had better animations and fighting moves, the armor I liked better, etc. Hell I might even level one.

On a PvE server.

Back before launch I saw countless posts on the forums of "Which side will you pick?" and it was actually roughly 50/50 Empire vs Republic. Not my fault when it launched it became 90/10.

PvP server. Deal with it.
You've done what you've done in game, and are part of the faction that did that.

I know, actually having to take responsibility for being a dick is so hard. Deal with it.

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Hefutoxin
01.21.2012 , 10:04 PM | #150
Quote: Originally Posted by Daedalin View Post
The issue here with your example, is you cannot prove nothing was done. Punishments have always been hush hush in MMO's. There is literally no way for you to prove he was not punished. There no way for you to prove that it wasn't different priests.
How does that work in your world?

Name is the same = same priest. Banned accounts still kept the names locked. Even if you could rename in Vanilla WoW, there is a lockout on the previous name.