Slippery Slope

I have not read the whole thread because its mostly the same crap over and over again it dont make any sense.


No one is getting punished for pvp, there getting punished for the secondary effect of valor gaints. IF there was no valor earned in it then they would have just fixed it and been done with it. But thats not the case people was farming valor in a way that any body with 2 brain cells knew was not biowares intention.

Was it biowares fault for screwing it up, yes. But at least on there end, it was a mistake. The people that was involved in this however knew what was going on and what they was doing.





I really really really hope your smarter then this and just jacking with poeple.

What there talking about is any pvp that is placed with in there rule set. Exploiting somthing even if it is associated with pvp does not count.

Instead of a 1 line comment when u select a pvp server, should they write 14 pages of do and donts for poeple with no common sense?

If you and your guildmates total IQ cannot solve the problem there, I'm so sorry for you. . Even your example is about exploiting the game in a different way. And no you cannot go to tatooine with a stealther party and kill same lowlings over and over. So sad that you are completly immune to harassment policy which is like:

STAR WARS™: THE OLD REPUBLIC™ RULES OF CONDUCT

Harassment Policy

Our goal is to build a strong community that offers a comfortable atmosphere for all of our players. This means seeing that players have the ability to combat antisocial behavior

Harassment consists of misuse and/or abuse of game mechanics and verbal harassment with the intention of distressing and offending other players. Game mechanics allow players to interact with the world and each other. For example, the ability to block a doorway is a game mechanic. Use of game mechanics like these is by no means considered harassment in and of itself. The key to determining whether the mechanic is being misused or abused is to determine "intent." Reported incidents are not considered harassment until it is determined by the SWTOR CS that it was done to intentionally to cause distress or to offend other players.

Harassment is also any behavior that is incessant, inescapable, derogatory and directed specifically at you or your group. Before reporting, a genuine attempt to alleviate the situation should be made by leaving the area or the offending player, or asking them politely to stop. If a sincere attempt has been made to solve the problem and the offending player persists in the behavior, it should be reported.

Behavior that is always considered harassment includes derogatory and/or hateful comments that are sexual, racist, religious, or related to gender or creed.

A judgment of valid harassment can result in penalties placed on the harassing party up to and including immediate account closure, based on the severity of harassment and the player's past account history.

Player versus Player (“PvP”) activities, where available, are not exempt from this policy.



But for the likes of you, at least they put a clause in general rules.

General Rules and Guidelines

20. Do anything that interferes with the ability of other Service users to enjoy playing Star Wars: The Old Republic and using the Service in accordance with its rules, or that materially increases the expense or difficulty of EA in maintaining the Service for the enjoyment of all its users.

OP Makes me laugh... Anyone there knew that this was exploiting a bad design yet they continued to do it anyways and now there QQ'ing because they might be caught and punished....

It's like if a guy has $100 in his bank account and goes to atm and it gives him $5000 and instead of going inside the bank to report the error he takes the money and runs, then he's surprised when the cops show up at his door...

Are people really that handicap morally that they don't know right from wrong anymore?

Corpse Camped by a 50 will break those but, is not actioned against. Thanks for playing.

And that issue could have been solved with PvP. Except the Republic players on multiple servers refused to get out of the fleet/their little PvE instances to go and help the few in Ilum. So it's ultimately the Republic's fault.

Those games had no "griefing" rules in PvP. The only time Warhammer ever, to my knowledge, engaged in an intervention was when Destruction found a way to slip into Order's warcamp in the starting area near the Empire and gank players without guards attacking them. This was a clear exploit, as the enemy players knew WALKING into the camp normally resulted in your instant death.

If WALKING into an enemy base in this game resulted in your instant death, then someone found a way to GET INTO the base without being detected by guards AND without the guards attacking/engaging in combat, then yes players should/could/would have an argument for punishment.

In WoW, I use to form groups composed of Rogues and tree Druids and we'd sit in Stormwind where PvP players spawned in through the Mage portal tower and instantly kill them. Never got in trouble for it. Why? PvP server, and what we did was fair.

I use to stand on the boat between Stormwind and Northrend and kill ANY player that stepped on the boat. The amount of time that it took for a person to run back to the body, the boat would set sail and the "load" screen came up. When the load screen finished, the player would automatically respawn on the boat with around half health. I'd kill them again. I once spent an hour killing the same player while waiting for my ICC raid to start.

If too many players got on the boat in Stormwind, I'd jump off and water walk away. If I was in Northrend, I'd fly away. PvP server, this behavior was acceptable. Even though the Alliance player would respawn on the boat against their will.

On my first server, there was a Troll Priest, who would spend hours, literally HOURS a day, mind controlling players off the boat in vanilla WoW when it was far enough at sea that they'd die from fatigue.

On any given day you could go on the forums on that specific server and see at least one thread devoted to QQ about him. Blizzard knew this and did nothing. Why? Because it was a PvP server. Got a problem? Kill him. Can't kill him? Get more people together and do it. Problem solved.

So... wait? You don't want BioWare to act like a referee to settle issues brought up in game, that they couldn't have foreseen (hopefully)?

You are assuming that the people who made the complaints in-game didn't have valid complaints. That their experience of the game wasn't endangered by overwhelming, and (after two hours minimum) unfair odds? That BioWare should not try to salvage customer accounts after a debacle such as this?

No, see... I get your point. You believe this will engender customer complaints about normal world PvP. And that is your argument's hinge point. Normal World PvP. But, it wasn't that. It was a circumstance created by BioWare that was unbalanced, either by design or by simple faction imbalance; and there was no single avenue of escape in-game. The only means of escape was to stop playing... a game... that you were paying for. See?

This was not normal world PvP. This was not ganking someone coming out of Tattooine Space Dock. This was like ganking someone coming out of Tattooine Space Dock who was 25 levels lower than you, had no chance of seeing your operative, and doing it to the same person for 4 hours straight.

This was griefing. This was mob mentality griefing. This was basically... well... it was like looting after a hurricane. Perfect time to do it, but it doesn't make you any less a criminal.

Yeah, someone *might* complain in open world PvP. But, seriously... that was happening before Ilum.

These complaints were levied by four groups. The people who were suffering at the hands of the spawn-campers... the Battlemasters (or nearly) who felt that their month of grinding PvP was being made worthless in front of their eyes... those who saw it as an injustice... and the group that likes to complain about whatever the biggest group is complaining about (I'm looking at you, Slicing nerf).

This 'punishment' by BioWare will never happen. It was a PR comment made to pacify the all four of those groups (though, it might only work on the third and the last group). This won't cause a paradigm shift, at all. Well, maybe BioWare will listen a little closer to the PTR... but, probably not.

So, I assure you... your paranoia is completely unfounded, in whatever case that paranoia actually stems from.

PvP server counters your TOS argument of harassment. If it came down to a legal battle between the two, BioWare would lose for having a contradiction between the TOS agreement and the server selection screen stating differently.

You can't have your cake, and eat it too. Don't roll on PvP.

Doesn't matter, on a PvP server, if I am being butchered non stop, I have no one to blame but myself and my faction.

So at what population ratio would this not apply?

10:1? 100:1? 1000:1? At what point do you not expect republic to be able to defend.

The fact is there is nothing they could of done about it.

You are also are incapable of appreciating that any republic who comes to the rescue runs the high risk of being spawn camped himself. Something you have not experienced.

Empire players should get it through their heads that we do not play this game so they can earn valor or get their dailies done.

Like I said earlier:

Quite frankly everyone that was involved in the anti-social behavior of camping republic spawn points, preventing them from even teleporting back to the fleet needs to be taught a serious lesson.

It may only be a game but you wasted alot of people's time camping their supposed "safe zone".

But that is not the reason why bioware is "punishing people". They are quite simply only going to remove the valor you incorrectly gained. Yes that's right, don't attack me for it, you gained the valor wrongly according to bioware. You gained it in the way bioware thought it shouldn't be gained and exploited the system. They are just going to correct their mistake by fairing all valor out again.

Don't cry about it. Bioware are fixing a mistake they made and for you to say "no it wasn't a mistake. I deserve that valor" is completely false since they admitted it was a mistake. There is no way anyone can justify keeping the valor.

Thank you.