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There is a HUGE difference between getting ganked and being corpse camped. Are they sitting in your cities killing you as you respawn? For OVER 8 HOURS?

If you get a group together to do these actions, camping spawn points, then yes you will be punished. I don't understand why so many people have a hard time understanding this, when most mmo's punish for this very action. It's like you guys just crawled out of the woodwork, put down your COD for a moment, and realize that MMO's have rules you have to follow.

You keep using this Voss example... but I don't think you realize how unsuitable it is. The punishment in question here is taking away VALOR GAINS received from the camping. The people camping you on Voss get nothing but enjoyment. They get no valor gains. This comparison is not applicable at all. When your central argument is based on such a poor example, you lose a lot of credibility.

That's how a slippery slope works though.

You take one thing and jump to vast conclusions based upon it. It's used in politics all the time. It's a fallacy.

However, the precedent has now been set. Any time something happens that I feel is wrong in PvP, I can now complain about it and use the Illum argument that BioWare can, should and will punish players for engaging in PvP.

Ban the Illum exploiters,these people are not wanted in the SWTOR community they have showed their true nature and BIO should send a strong and early message that this behavior will not be tolerated.

So what happens if something happens in the future that you engage in that BioWare says later "Woops. That was a mistake." Should you be banned, even if you didn't realize it was a mistake?

Ever done a quest and the quest bugs out, like an NPC stops attacking you? Should you be banned for continuing it?

No, your literally comparing oranges and tangerines. Upon looking at them, they look similar, but they aren't. Two different fruits.

You cannot gain valor on voss for kills. You can on Ilum. The only incentive to gank on voss is for enjoyment, and the opposing faction gains no upper hand. BUT camping your spawn point is still considered griefing, and still not acceptable. Most MMO's punish with short time bans for griefing.

Ilum on the other hand, was not only being griefed, but exploited. There are hundreds, if not thousands of people have access to gear. Gear that makes them that much harder to kill in pvp. Meaning not only are they more likely to kill you in Ilum, but win warzones. Creating a farther imbalance as their valor ranks continually go up, and the people who were on the losing end stay stagnant.

Not punishing them will cause more harmful effects, then punishing them.

I will never engage in actions that so grossly warrant myself being punished,if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck,,it's a duck,and this my friend was very apparent.

They are too emotionally invested in this particular situation. No matter what you say, people want revenge for Illum. They don't see the massive danger this precedent sets for future problems.

Bioware can do what it wants but, they REALLY need to reword the whole situation so it doesn't come back to bite them.

You compare fruits all the time. Different fruits hold different nutritional values.

"If the matter can be settled through PvP, it is not griefing."

It sets the stage by punishing them that makes me wonder, if I kill a player now in PvP in a creative way, will I get banned? What if I can slip into a Republic base on my Operative or Assassin and kill someone? Should I be banned now for doing that? How am I to know what is and isn't against the rules?

I push someone off the cliff on Illum, and they die from fall damage, should I be banned now?

I do not know now what is and isn't against the rules because of this.

You don't know that though for 100% certainty though. This issue with Illum has now set the stage for other doors to be closed and one could be on something you do without realizing it.

Back in WoW, I played Horde and I remember during some Wintergrasps, we'd camp the spawn point of Alliance players. Killing them. Should we have been banned?

A smart enough player could make it into the base before being dismounted. Should they have been banned?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm03136FTI4

A group figured out how to capture Wintergrasp in 60 seconds using Engineering. Should they have been banned?

How are we to know what is exploiting, especially in PvP?