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Are you serious?

You aoe bombed the republics spawn point for hours to farm massive amounts of valor and you are playing the "derp, we didn't know any better" card....get real.

Its the players fault for "exploiting" an unintended feature.

WAKEUP!. I never knew so many people do not understand what exploiting is. uneducated i guess

ALL cheaters/exploiters play the "Derp!.. i didnt know card"

Did you even read the post?
I clearly show an example of what is an exploit and explain why it isn't.
It is impossible to make it clearer.
It is not an exploit. It is a design flaw.

A very bad one that allowed republic players to be stupidly farmed.
But it was a design flaw. Not an exploit.

If a large enough raid can form to enter an enemy base, and take down every conceivable defense, how is that the players fault?

In WoW, one night, two full raids entered Stormwind and myself, and others, held Stormwind for an hour and a half. Killed every NPC, every quest giver and every player who dared attack us. We had players camping the boats to Northrend to kill players getting off it, camping the areas where players would zone in using the Mage portals.

Should we be banned because we had more players and were able to take down the defense?

An exploit would be this:

If the turret CANNOT be targeted at all, but through AoE damage it CAN be destroyed, then players destroy it.

If the turret CAN be targeted and CAN be attacked AND destroyed, how is that the fault of the player? How are they to know it was an unintended exploit?

If I hit something enough times, and it dies, why is that an exploit?

So when I gank someone at low health or camp a lowbie I am exploiting, in both cases they have virtually no way to stop me. Am I supposed to let them heal up so we can have a fair fight?

Reposting this:

So people are supposed to guess what is intended and what isn't ?
Are you serious?

Let me give you an example to show you how wrong you are:

1- People are not supposed to leave the starting are of a WZ before it starts.
For this reason there are barriers that do not allow players to leave the WZ entrance.
Players know this so if they somehow find a way to leave the starting zone and use that to their own advantage they are exploiting something that was not intended.

2- The ilum case. For you to be right about this beeing an exploit it would have to be clear that players were not intended to enter the oposing players base.
If not by a forcefield something like an instant death debuff.
Was something like this implemented? And if the answer is yes then did the players find a way around this instant death or forcefield that that didnt allow them to enter the base?


The answer is no. There was no clear sign or no way to know that players were not intended to enter the oposing factions base.
Thus we come to the conclusion that in the eyes of the player it could never be conceived as an exploit because they had no way of knowing they were not supposed to be there.
It was not an exploit. It was a design overseight that players took advantage of.

For this reason you can not and must not punish the players who had no way of knowing if what they were doing was or was not against the intentions BioWare had for Ilum.

If you are so clueles that you cannot tell something, such as our subject matter, was unintended. Then there is no hope for you. I cannot teach you intelligence or insight. It is lost upon you and wll never be gained.

Did you read beyond that? Because that would show inteligence.
But from your previous posts i see you just don't want to discuss the issue at hand.
You want to vocalize your point of view and shut your eyes and ears to all the rest.

And that sir is not very smart.

As far as I know, we don't have any idea what penalty BioWare is planning for the people who exploited the Ilum situation. It's possible that all they're planning on doing is rolling back the Valor earned by the exploiters during the time of the exploiting.

While what happened was definitely against the terms of service, and an exploit (see my previous post), I do have some (limited) sympathy for people who claim they didn't realize it was an exploit. It's possible (maybe even likely) that BioWare feels the same way and isn't planning on giving out bans or suspensions.