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BW isn't getting the praise they deserve.

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BW isn't getting the praise they deserve.

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Feelinestars
01.21.2012 , 06:09 PM | #111
Quote: Originally Posted by Azzras View Post
You asume to much. Where did I say there were no faults in the game.

I CAN see the potential of the game and look forward to seeing how it grows.

Do you really think that bugs will last forever?

I have no sympathy for you or any like you. To hate with such passion.

I think BW is taking things in the right direction.

Now, can we have any info on the GTN?
Mam, as I mentioned yesterday, I promise you.. I and everyone else do not just dislike the game just to dislike it blindly. We dislike it because we were given a steaming pile of crap in alpha-state and being requested to pay a monthly fee.

You, however, I feel, will praise it blindly, whereas we all are not just disliking it just to dislike it. I am not confident in BioWare, because all the reasons everyone is leaving were things mentioned in alpha and in beta. It's disgraceful.

Edit: I see you in every thread, just blindly saying things like "well unsubscribe then!" "bye!" "can i have your stuff!?" "but this game IS great!"

Take a step back and realize you are in the minority, and people like you who blindly defend the game just to defend it will hurt it more than help it. I'm trying to be nice, here.

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Taurusaud
01.21.2012 , 06:10 PM | #112
Quote: Originally Posted by Solemnone View Post
The same goes for all the trolls who have never played an MMO at launch, whine because a game that has been out a month doesn't have the polish or content as a seven year old MMO, and lack the foresight to see how great this game will be. They also lack the hindsight to see how badly WoW sucked when it launched. Blizzard ended up giving out free game time because the game was unplayable for the first month(and buggy for months after), and it took dozens of patches to get it running smoothly long after people were paying a monthly fee.

Blizzard didn't launch with 10 million subs, it took years to reach that point, and they have suffered drastic(as in millions) of cancelled subs ever since,. I loved WoW, I played it for years, but you guys can stop pretending that it wasn't an absolute train wreck at launch.

SWTOR forums look like a grouping of rainbows and kittens compared to WoWs; we get a lot of trolls here, obviously, but at least we don't have a sticky dedicated to real life death threats to players and staff like the WoW forums do.

Link to the wow forums; yes, the second sticky is literally addressing the issue of death threats.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/984270/
This game isn't WoW. This game will never come close to the success WoW has garnered.

WoW has a solid foundation while the foundation for this game is completely messed up and broken. You can't even play the damn game correctly without your UI not responding half the time you push a spell.

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Setanian
01.21.2012 , 06:11 PM | #113
Quote: Originally Posted by Solemnone View Post
The same goes for all the trolls who have never played an MMO at launch,
Oh, so everyone has to have played an MMO at launch to be allowed to complain? That's in some rule book in your pants is it?

Quote: Originally Posted by Solemnone View Post
whine because a game that has been out a month doesn't have the polish or content as a seven year old MMO, and lack the foresight to see how great this game will be. They also lack the hindsight to see how badly WoW sucked when it launched. Blizzard ended up giving out free game time because the game was unplayable for the first month(and buggy for months after), and it took dozens of patches to get it running smoothly long after people were paying a monthly fee.
Whether WoW did or did not suck at launch is immaterial to the topic. The only correlation between SW:ToR and WoW is that they're both marketed as MMOs. Whether a previous MMO launched successfully is just irrelevant. This is 2012, people expect polish and playability and bug free launches. That the fanboi's are willing to accept less than acceptable game-play, bugs and woeful support is up to them, but it in no way means others should expect it, or indeed, accept it.

Quote: Originally Posted by Solemnone View Post
SWTOR forums look like a grouping of rainbows and kittens compared to WoWs; we get a lot of trolls here, obviously, but at least we don't have a sticky dedicated to real life death threats to players and staff like the WoW forums do.
WoW is by any man's counting the most subscribed MMO on the planet. With over 10m subscription (probably fallen some) it is to be expected that it is going to be played by some unsavory characters. Comparing the WoW forums with the ToR forums is just ridiculous.

You have a habit of generalizing. Not everyone who complains is a troll. Just because they don't agree with you, does not give you a right to keep calling them trolls.
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SamuraBob_Fl
01.21.2012 , 06:15 PM | #114
Quote: Originally Posted by Taurusaud View Post
This game isn't WoW. This game will never come close to the success WoW has garnered.

WoW has a solid foundation while the foundation for this game is completely messed up and broken. You can't even play the damn game correctly without your UI not responding half the time you push a spell.
What?

WoW has a maybe acceptable foundation that Blizzard sometimes can make good and sometimes can't.

This game has one major problem, in ability delay, and a host of minor ones, but it's still a fun game and in the process of improvement.

I know Bioware admitted they were so horrible at creating class balance that they had to do away with talent trees but... oh sorry that was Blizzard.
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Taurusaud
01.21.2012 , 06:20 PM | #115
Quote: Originally Posted by SamuraBob_Fl View Post
What?

WoW has a maybe acceptable foundation that Blizzard sometimes can make good and sometimes can't.

This game has one major problem, in ability delay, and a host of minor ones, but it's still a fun game and in the process of improvement.

I know Bioware admitted they were so horrible at creating class balance that they had to do away with talent trees but... oh sorry that was Blizzard.
Are you trying to suggest Bioware won't follow Blizzard's lead in talents? They already have!
This game will never come close to the number of subs Blizzard has garnered because if you make your game to be like WoW and then have it be inferior to WoW in nearly every facet most people will simply just play WoW instead.

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Feelinestars
01.21.2012 , 06:20 PM | #116
Quote: Originally Posted by SamuraBob_Fl View Post
What?

WoW has a maybe acceptable foundation that Blizzard sometimes can make good and sometimes can't.

This game has one major problem, in ability delay, and a host of minor ones, but it's still a fun game and in the process of improvement.

I know Bioware admitted they were so horrible at creating class balance that they had to do away with talent trees but... oh sorry that was Blizzard.
Blizzard has always done what was best for the game at the time. The 6-tiered talent trees in Mists will be a success, and as usual, Blizzard continues to innovate.. and years later, it'll be known as the standard.

For BioWare to not take all the successful pieces from other successful MMO's and then throw in their own flavor and innovation is stupid. It's moronic. That's why this game is such a fail, and that's why if you go to that SW:TOR statistics page the game is plummeting faster than my girlfriend under the sheets at night.

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Stylez
01.21.2012 , 06:23 PM | #117
This thread should be closed by the forum mods, it is violating the forum rules.
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Setanian
01.21.2012 , 06:26 PM | #118
Quote: Originally Posted by Stylez View Post
This thread should be closed by the forum mods, it is violating the forum rules.
Right.. Close anything that you don't agree with or may make your game look bad?
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SamuraBob_Fl
01.21.2012 , 06:33 PM | #119
Quote: Originally Posted by Feelinestars View Post
Blizzard has always done what was best for the game at the time. The 6-tiered talent trees in Mists will be a success, and as usual, Blizzard continues to innovate.. and years later, it'll be known as the standard.

For BioWare to not take all the successful pieces from other successful MMO's and then throw in their own flavor and innovation is stupid. It's moronic. That's why this game is such a fail, and that's why if you go to that SW:TOR statistics page the game is plummeting faster than my girlfriend under the sheets at night.
I don't really see how eliminating features is "innovation," but ok. A few years back Blizzard did what was best for their MMO, but at this point it's not really believable when people defend WoW as somehow being something that's really shining and polished. I understand people want to defend the game they invested years in, I played it for 5 years, but it's clearly not nearly as good as TOR at this point.
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Setanian
01.21.2012 , 06:45 PM | #120
Quote: Originally Posted by SamuraBob_Fl View Post
I don't really see how eliminating features is "innovation," but ok. A few years back Blizzard did what was best for their MMO, but at this point it's not really believable when people defend WoW as somehow being something that's really shining and polished. I understand people want to defend the game they invested years in, I played it for 5 years, but it's clearly not nearly as good as TOR at this point.
You can't be for real? WoW is the biggest and most subscribed MMO on the planet. It has stood the test of time and still enjoys the #1 spot. It is "the most polished" MMO on the planet. And I hate the damn game, but truth is truth.

I think you misinterpreted the posters view point. By not looking at 'why' wow was so successful and implementing the things that any cretin could see the players would want, is just disastrous.

You make a list a page long of all the things that could have been taken, enhanced and added, but weren't. And that's the big failing.

I don't mind bugs, I don't mind a little server instability, but to login on day 1 and experience what ToR is all about and being so deflated as what was supposed to be an MMO, and one of epic proportions and all it is, is a grandiose single player game lacking so many fundamental things as to render it a loss.
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