No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

Talking logic to most of the people on the forums is akin to teaching a brick to swim through the use of smoke signals. The commutation channel isn't there.

Too many people come with fixed preconceived notions of what "must be" or "must not be". Unhappy people don't want to hear the issue might be them, happy people don't want to hear there are problems with the game, immature people don't want to have to be responsible, mature people don't want to be "bothered" with those who aren't....

But bottom line: rolling on items you can't use, that your companion can't use, that you can't trade or give to someone else and only vendor sell, when it's been discussed before hand, is not defensible, period, ever. It's rude, illogical, and spiteful, and I'm sure someone will suggest otherwise but suggestions are much like another part of the anatomy everyone possesses.

Thankfully everyone I have grouped with (save one, and if he ever asks for help again, he won't get it from me) has been very respectful of this. In fact in one group a guy even asked to roll on an item that was clearly designed for his class (mine as well, but he won it. Good for him). That being said, it comes down to, put those people that don't play fair on your ignore list, avoid them, and move on. Unfortunately the selfish will be just that, especially in an anonymous form of media such as this.

Moving on to another point, no people that play in PUG are not incapable of being social, some of us just don't level as fast. I don't have time to game as much as many of the players I have friended, so they have all moved past me. We get along well, but I just can't play a level 45 FP at 33, so I'm off looking for a new group.

Lastly, to the "I can so I will" person above, yes you can, but that doesn't make it right or socially acceptable. Thus the question of morality. That being said, your statement about everyone rolls even on a need roll, thus still making it competitive is wrong. It isn't competitive because the one person that rolls need will always win the roll. That is not competition, that is taking. If you are one of two that roll need, you are cutting two out of the competition and competing with someone that may actually have a use for the item, one their character, right now. The generally accepted way to handle the action is to avoid rolling need unless you can use it, and not to sell, trade, or reverse engineer. Of course, you are perfectly within your rights to ignore socially acceptable behavior, but don't be surprised if as you go on it becomes harder to group, you get kicked from your guild, and people ignore you. This goes the same for the "I roll for my companion" folks. There is nothing to prevent you, but remember your actions have consequences, and there are plenty of other, nicer people to play with.

You're also able to go buy a gun and shoot yourself in the head. Please consider it.

I am so glad LFG is not in the game, so it doesn't ruin this amazing community.

Well, regardless of your views on loot, if you don't agree on loot rules before starting the run, then you deserve to get ninjaed. Think of it this way: If you agree on loot rules ahead of time, and someone breaks them, you have grounds to report them(in other games I've played, if someone broke established loot rules, you could report them under the "scamming" flag, and you'd get your loot and they'd get an infraction)

That doesn't work in this instance. This is a situation where a person rolled on it because they liked the look of it. And that person could equip it.

There already are class specific orange items. This wasn't one of them.

This thread is about a Marauder rolling on an orange item they could equip and winning that roll over someone who could also equip it. The Marauder just wanted to look pretty. Well the orange items are there for people to look pretty.

This thread isn't as cut and dry as the one you came from Face. This one is murky. Because a strong case can be made that the Marauder just wanted the item because they liked the looks of it. And since that's what Orange items are for ...

I don't care, I never read the tooltip. When I can click need, I need.

This is why you make your own group, and make sure you are the last to roll. If someone rolls Need on something they do not need/cant use then kick them. This is how i run groups if i pug ( i havent done a flashpoint since level 25 on my level 50 BH). That way they dont get the item they tryed to ninja and everything is fine. Half the flashpoints you can duo with pets anyway you dont need a full group of 4.

and this is what wow did to the mmo genre. no regard for other players at all and only thinking of yourself. this is an mmo. not call of duty. you are supposed to work together. not against each other.

That was my point, it is not clear and cut in the case of Orange items. It does not matter what the orange item is called or what stats it comes with, you can modify it. All the marauder has to do is take those mods out and put his own mods in and suddenly the armor works for him.

But some people didn't seem to understand that.