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Bioware caved in to the forum whines, prepare for the start of a doomed pvp game.

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Bioware caved in to the forum whines, prepare for the start of a doomed pvp game.

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Geglad
01.21.2012 , 03:54 PM | #141
Lawlz


Sounds like the rogue-bi...err complaining that went on for years in World of Failcraft until they rolled the stuns into the DR mechanic.

"Jeez man - they stunlock me and burst me down, *** am i supposed to do."


I played feral, so I thought rogues were yummy.

Gotta say about the AP though...not the best choice of mechanic. Its cool and stuff, but prolly too buffy. Easy to dial stuff around it and get high damage. Might be better to just use a flat damage buff as a dial instead of AP if those classes fail out of line with the loss of AP.

Its funny. AP on a rogue class.

<giggles>

Edit:I should prolly get an OP up huh?

-Lad
Uno avulso non deficit alter.

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belialle
01.21.2012 , 03:59 PM | #142
Quote: Originally Posted by McVade View Post
Always a justification.

It's fair that ops can kill someone in 2.5 seconds because... <lame *** excuse with made up numbers>

It's fair that ops can kill 3v1 because... <lame *** excuse that isn't even true, but why bother pointing that out>

I'm sure in your mind this is very pithy.....But your argument is predicated on lies and is therefore invalid.

Operatives just don't kill people in 2.5 seconds. I played a healing operative, and it usually took level 50s more time than that to kill me when I was in my 30s. Imagine if I'd been a sorcerer with the stun on my bubble when it breaks? Come the **** on. Hell, sometimes I was even able to escape. There's one scoundrel I'm thinking of in particular....he was tough, and he had it in for me every time he saw me (as a low level healer, I probably looked like a tasty lunch, I'm sure). He was in a "leet" PvP guild, so I can only assume that his gear was top-notch. Even he couldn't kill me every single time he saw me.

Furthermore, there is no way in hell an operative is going to beat 3 equal level players (let alone equally geared).....unless they are very, very bad players or are having internet issues or something.

Look, I'm not going to say that the opening burst didn't need to be toned down. Maybe it did, maybe it didn't. Maybe it's really an issue with the way bursty abilities stack with buffs like adrenals, etc. It's not for me to say, and I don't play concealment, so I don't have a lot of first-hand experience with it.

I will say that there is no way in hell that BW gathered enough information in two days to justify such large nerfs. There is just no way. What concerns me is that it seems so clear to me that they simply caved in to screechers on the forums. That's a very slippery slope, and I don't like what it might indicate for the future of the game.

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BegaTasty
01.21.2012 , 03:59 PM | #143
I have always played stealth classes sicne days of UO an I gotta say I rolled my scoundrel days before the nerf, an I just dont play it past 20 its boring an not remotely fun. My gunslinger is 43 an he's as bigger snore as the scoundrel is. Plus its same story an my eyes will bleed if I have to go through it again.

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BegaTasty
01.21.2012 , 04:01 PM | #144
Quote: Originally Posted by WickedImage View Post
Actually he is not making things up. I have a lvl 12 Op. My RL friend has the same thing. We had a ball killing people with these toons. They were a **** TON easier to kill with at this level than my assassin was. Nice try though.
every single word I said is fact, on IMP my 26 sniper is as bad as the scoundrel an twice as boring. What this is about is changing tactics in hopes you can get everyone nerfed. As always happens in MMO's it's SOP since wow gave you everything you demanded.

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McVade
01.21.2012 , 04:22 PM | #145
Quote: Originally Posted by belialle View Post
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I'm sure in your mind this is very pithy.....But your argument is predicated on lies and is therefore invalid.

Operatives just don't kill people in 2.5 seconds.
Don't know how many more times I have to link this video in this exact thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP-Vn...3epE1sg3jMItMr

Let's play the IA Justification For Insane Burst drinking game. Take a shot if the reply is:

A. Video was Doctored.
B. It's all Biochem.
C. Video maker Lied about His Gear (even though you see exactly what he's wearing).
D. Operative Hacked.
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Agroovesak
01.21.2012 , 05:13 PM | #146
Quote: Originally Posted by McVade View Post
What's stupider is that I don't think some Operatives know that it has cooldown. Then again, if I could 3 shot anyone I encountered in 2.5 seconds like this guy...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP-Vn...3epE1sg3jMItMr

... I wouldn't need to use it ever myself, so I totally get why you might not know that.
Sigh, I know you're trolling but god you're awful at it. At least find a relevant video first. The days of full biochem against non-expertise targets are over sorry.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2U6S...el_video_title

There, he opens with a clip of him killing somebody in 3 gcds.

Your turn, please find an operative video of him hitting a whole team for 5k+, go!

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GutPunch
01.21.2012 , 05:18 PM | #147
Quote: Originally Posted by McVade View Post
Don't know how many more times I have to link this video in this exact thread.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP-Vn...3epE1sg3jMItMr

Let's play the IA Justification For Insane Burst drinking game. Take a shot if the reply is:

A. Video was Doctored.
B. It's all Biochem.
C. Video maker Lied about His Gear (even though you see exactly what he's wearing).
D. Operative Hacked.
Go back to wow baddie. Obviously there are too many variables for you to understand.

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belialle
01.21.2012 , 05:20 PM | #148
Quote: Originally Posted by McVade View Post
Don't know how many more times I have to link this video in this exact thread.


Look, as I already stated, I could conceivably agree that their opening burst might need to be toned down. I still think your video is fairly pointless. A video made by a clicker who just stands there and takes damage without bothering to break CC or even bubble before the duel is useless.

The knockdown in that video takes 1/3 of the sorc's HP. He lags, takes more damage and dies. If he'd been bubbled, if he'd used the CC breaker right away (which would have happened more slowly for him, I'm guessing, since he doesn't really seem to have his abilities bound very well at all).....If he'd been trying, in other words, things could have gone down very differently.

Also, notice the buffs on that operative? You don't think there's an issue with how their burst is affected by stacking all those buffs? Rather than seeing that toned down (which it was, a bit....this video seems to be from before 1.1), you'd like to see them gutted?

I am concerned that BW could not possibly have enough data to warrant a nerf of this magnitude only 2 days after the last patch was released. I am concerned for what it could indicate for future changes to the game that they are so clearly caving in to forum whiners.

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yukirshiro
01.21.2012 , 05:22 PM | #149
Quote: Originally Posted by jordanph View Post
How can you think 7-8k crits is fair against most classes 3-4k crits max.

There are no more 8k hits. Stop lying.

Adrenal nerfs fixed the problem. There was no need to nerf ops further and the current changes literally make the class totally useless.

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Doxxs
01.21.2012 , 05:22 PM | #150
I lost my effortless gank so that means bioware are wimps....yep.