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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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nezroy
01.21.2012 , 03:33 PM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by Viera View Post
Murder = against the rules by law

Looting an orange item you can use =/= against the rules.

That is all that matters.
"Murder = against the rules by law" because a bunch of people got together one day and decided that murder is important enough to warrant a formal written contract of the social expectations so that there is absolutely no confusion over the matter.

For all intents and purposes, that is exactly what is happening in this thread as well. The implicit, unwritten rules of conduct around loot behavior are being discussed and formalized by the community affected by these choices and their collective opinions on the morality of the issue.

I am not, for one instant, equating the MORAL implications of murder to need rolling on orange gear. Clearly one is a lot further down the moral scale than the other.

I am, however, covering why the argument of "because I can" is JUST AS INVALID for making any comment on the morality of this action as it would be for making any comment on the morality of murder, or, for that matter, the morality of ANY action that is physically possible.
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SnoggyMack
01.21.2012 , 03:34 PM | #82
Quote: Originally Posted by face_hindu View Post
Not based on that list,
So you're really just here to call me names?

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but on your multitude of unabashedly ignorant posts in this thread:
Different thread. And more importantly a very different topic. THIS thread is about someone rolling need on an item they say they needed. Companions have NOTHING to do with this thread.

Anyways, feel free to review my list. That is what it is like to group with me. A confessed ninja looter. Of Aim Sabers. I ninja loot items that are improperly itemized that jedi and sith can't use. I am a jerk. Thank you for calling me one.

But I'm definitely willing to be up front about what grouping with me is like. I'll let others determine if that's suitable grouping behavior.

I'm still curious though as to what it is you feel an Aim-Saber is going to do for the classes that can equip the item.

Please ... do educate us.
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Viera
01.21.2012 , 03:36 PM | #83
Quote: Originally Posted by nezroy View Post
"Murder = against the rules by law" because a bunch of people got together one day and decided that murder is important enough to warrant a formal written contract of the social expectations so that there is absolutely no confusion over the matter.

For all intents and purposes, that is exactly what is happening in this thread as well. The implicit, unwritten rules of conduct around loot behavior are being discussed and formalized by the community affected by these choices and their collective opinions on the morality of the issue.

I am not, for one instant, equating the MORAL implications of murder to need rolling on orange gear. Clearly one is a lot further down the moral scale than the other.

I am, however, covering why the argument of "because I can" is JUST AS INVALID for making any comment on the morality of this action as it would be for making any comment on the morality of murder, or, for that matter, the morality of ANY action that is physically possible.
That isn't what happening in this thread. A bunch of people in positions of authority decided murder was against the law, no one in authority is deciding that rolling need on an item you can use is against the rules.

If you want to establish loot rules before the raid, go for it. But there is never going to be any 'unwritten' rules/laws that everyone consents to lol.

You people still cannot seem to understand that the 'loot rulez' aren't as easy as you make it out to be. The orange armor in this game is COMPLETELY CUSTOMIZABLE. If they can use it, they can need it.
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face_hindu
01.21.2012 , 03:37 PM | #84
Anyway, in that "different" thread, the one with 50+ pages, the same handful of people try to defend ninja looting. It makes for comical reading.

Seems like it's the same handful of people here, too. At least it's not the other way around!


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CBGB
01.21.2012 , 03:41 PM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by face_hindu View Post
Anyway, in that "different" thread, the one with 50+ pages, the same handful of people try to defend ninja looting. It makes for comical reading.

Seems like it's the same handful of people here, too. At least it's not the other way around!
Cake is a lie; there is only pie.
I'm certainly hoping the posts here aren't representative. I'm... amazed that people will behave this way - likely the same ones who complain about waiting to get a group.


People are asking for a healer for Cademimu now, and I'm not as ready as I was to join. My 1-in-8-ish chance of getting that piece, the most perfect drop for me on the run, has now dropped that much further.

And if I do go, my heals will do that much less.


But at least the Marauder will look cool.

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nezroy
01.21.2012 , 03:43 PM | #86
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You people still cannot seem to understand that the 'loot rulez' aren't as easy as you make it out to be. The orange armor in this game is COMPLETELY CUSTOMIZABLE. If they can use it, they can need it.
And you cannot seem to understand that I'm offering NO opinion on the morality of need rolling oranges for appearance. I have not once in this thread stated a moral judgement on the issue one way or another.

I am simply explaining why the argument "because I can" is not the thread-ender it was intended to be, and is in fact a completely meaningless addition to a thread whose essential purpose is to discuss the morality of an act within the social structure of this game.

Not only is it meaningless here, but in fact "because I can" is an invalid argument for almost ALL moral discussions. Almost all actions of moral interest CAN be performed by a human obeying the laws of physics; those that can't don't tend to present much of a moral dilemma at all, given that morality is about human CHOICE, not imaginary circumstances that could never exist.

(As an aside, you also seem to have no understanding of "authority", where it comes from, and who ultimately grants it... I weep for the civic future of whichever country you come from).
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Viera
01.21.2012 , 03:43 PM | #87
Don't want ninja looters? Don't play with PUG's.
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Naduri
01.21.2012 , 03:45 PM | #88
Quote: Originally Posted by Viera View Post
Don't want ninja looters? Don't play with PUG's.
This. There is a reason people PUG, its because they are socially inept and cannot form stable groups of friends in a game.

If you don't want have to deal with crappy behaviour like this then don't swim in the pool with the babies and *******. Join a guild, make some friends and leave pugging to the hopeless.

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Viera
01.21.2012 , 03:46 PM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by nezroy View Post
And you cannot seem to understand that I'm offering NO opinion on the morality of need rolling oranges for appearance. I have not once in this thread stated a moral judgement on the issue one way or another.

I am simply explaining why the argument "because I can" is not the thread-ender it was intended to be, and is in fact a completely meaningless addition to a thread whose essential purpose is to discuss the morality of an act within the social structure of this game.

Not only is it meaningless here, but in fact "because I can" is an invalid argument for almost ALL moral discussions. Almost all actions of moral interest CAN be performed by a human obeying the laws of physics; those that can't don't tend to present much of a moral dilemma at all, given that morality is about human CHOICE, not imaginary circumstances that could never exist.

(As an aside, you also seem to have no understanding of "authority", where it comes from, and who ultimately grants it... I weep for the civic future of whichever country you come from).

This is a game, and the first laws against murder were formed under Autocratic governments with no mandates from the masses who wielded supreme authority.

It has everything to do with "because I can" because they can use it, thus they can need it. It is as simple as that, in the end. If it is a piece of armor they can actually use there is no reason why they should be denied the right to do so just because the stats that come with the item or the name of the item. That is why you still roll even when you select need, so everyone who can use it gets a fair go at it.
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Aisar
01.21.2012 , 03:46 PM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by nezroy View Post
And you cannot seem to understand that I'm offering NO opinion on the morality of need rolling oranges for appearance. I have not once in this thread stated a moral judgement on the issue one way or another.

I am simply explaining why the argument "because I can" is not the thread-ender it was intended to be, and is in fact a completely meaningless addition to a thread whose essential purpose is to discuss the morality of an act within the social structure of this game.

Not only is it meaningless here, but in fact "because I can" is an invalid argument for almost ALL moral discussions. Almost all actions of moral interest CAN be performed by a human obeying the laws of physics; those that can't don't tend to present much of a moral dilemma at all, given that morality is about human CHOICE, not imaginary circumstances that could never exist.

(As an aside, you also seem to have no understanding of "authority", where it comes from, and who ultimately grants it... I weep for the civic future of whichever country you come from).
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