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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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IceManLoneWolf
01.21.2012 , 02:53 PM | #31
Quote: Originally Posted by Descento View Post
There are no rules stating i'm not allowed to roll NEED on something particular.
And in some locations there are no rules stating I'm not allowed to murder you. Does that make it right?

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Aisar
01.21.2012 , 02:53 PM | #32
Quote: Originally Posted by CBGB View Post
...if anyone in that class is with your group.

I can't believe I'm posting about item rolls, or about this issue. People worry too much about loot, and I'm a big believer in just enjoying the game.
But poor claims hurt group dynamics, and there's no need for this kind of thing.

Today, a Sith Marauder rolled Need to get this
Cademimu Sharpshooter's Jacket
+34 Endurance
+38 Cunning
+18 Critical Rating


when I pointed out it was made for an Agent, like me, he said he intended to strip out the mods and trade them.

When I noted that the mods are Bound, he insisted that since he could wear it, he could roll. More surprising was that when he brought the issue to /General, a few voices agreed.

Most did not, but the others need to know that sort of claim i's a party-breaker. This is clearly an Agent item - a huge upgrade in my case - and my next group will get a little less healing as a result.

One of the pleasures of running Flashpoints is the chance to get gear suited to you. If it's better suited to someone else, leave it for them.
You're the kind of person I love to win rolls againts for my companion
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Explosive_Lasers
01.21.2012 , 02:53 PM | #33
Quote: Originally Posted by Descento View Post
There are no Warriors in SWTOR.
Yes there are.

Sith Warriors.

They gain nothing from Cunning, like the person you quoted said. The OP's problem was a Warrior needing on Cunning gear that the OP, as an Imperial Agent who uses Cunning, needed.
"Bet you heard we ain't in the pris'ner takin' bisness. We in the killin' Imperial bisness." -Me, before every Warzone

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Explosive, you always make so much sense. And here as well you do not disappoint.

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face_hindu
01.21.2012 , 02:54 PM | #34
Quote: Originally Posted by Oghier View Post
All loot gets replaced. A reputation as a greedy loot-****, however, lasts a good long time. Just put them on your do-not-group list and move on. Also, play a healer or tank, so your do-not-group list has potential relevance
Yeah, tell that to SnoggyMack, Ninja Looter Extraordinaire (and proud of it!)


Cake is a lie; there is only pie.

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SnoggyMack
01.21.2012 , 02:54 PM | #35
Quote: Originally Posted by daddymoofle View Post
It wasn't about the crit, it's about the base stats, in this case being Cunning. Warriors get nothing from Cunning.
I get that. But this general topic has come up in the past. And in those discussions, I've tried to make the point that there will be situations where one class is rolling need for an item and another class is rolling need for a mod. And the example I tend to use is +Crit. Because there are benefits to +Crit for both healers and DPS.

And so there will be a situation where two classes NEED the item for an upgrade. One might wear the item. One might mod strip it. But the need is genuine.

And people still flip out and get huffy about it.

Which means, to me, this type of discussion isn't about being fair. It's about loot drama. You typical loot drama that crops in these games alllllllllllll the time.

You are going to meet a healer one day who finally realizes that an upgrade to crit is going to help them heal better. And that might be the day that some DPS class totally wigs out on the healer because ... duh ... they're DPS and crit is their big thing.

And now you're stuck in a loot drama situation where a healer has to try to explain why they want to need on an item?

It's just silly.

These items are all rolled on. There's equal chance to win. But it's always going to be a situation where someone lost and is upset about losing.

/sigh
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SnoggyMack
01.21.2012 , 02:55 PM | #36
Quote: Originally Posted by face_hindu View Post
Yeah, tell that to SnoggyMack, Ninja Looter Extraordinaire (and proud of it!)


Cake is a lie; there is only pie.
Damn proud of being a NINJA LOOTER OF LIGHTSABERS WITH THE AIM STAT ON IT!

Can you figure out why though Face? I mean have you even considered why?
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nezroy
01.21.2012 , 02:56 PM | #37
Quote: Originally Posted by Descento View Post
if I am able to press NEED, then i'm allowed to do it


/thread
If you are able to pick up a gun and shoot someone in the head, then you must be allowed to do it, right?

Sure, you are "allowed" to do it... the universe will not reach out and stop you. But it's not any less morally reprehensible.

Once you've hit puberty and figured out that you are responsible for the fallout of your actions, and that just because an action is possible does not make it right, give us a ring...

EDIT: Just to clarify, you are trying to make an argument that because you CAN do something, it must therefore be acceptable to do that thing. There ARE potentially valid reasons for claiming it's fine to need roll in this scenario, but the "because I can" argument is not one of them...
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Seattlite
01.21.2012 , 02:57 PM | #38
Quote: Originally Posted by Sufran View Post
Naturally, I have no objection to those that Need for companions after everyone in the group has given consent or if a companion has contributed to the effort but attempting to equate whimsical notions of re-sale or aesthetics with the quantifiable effects it will have on longevity or damage for the best-suited recipient is simply asinine to me. I blame these covetous cretins on those akin to Ayn Rand and Milton Freidman; they made being a duplicitous dunce somewhat acceptable again.
True story.

Although, tbh, it's a safe bet that anyone whom this para would offend is probably incapable of understanding it.

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face_hindu
01.21.2012 , 02:57 PM | #39
Quote: Originally Posted by Aisar View Post
You're the kind of person I love to win rolls againts for my companion
hahaha, your total disregard for your HUMAN companion who just carried your talentless arse through that FP is SO funny!

Don't worry, you can find other ninja looters / douches to group with. There are some out there.


Cake is a lie; there is only pie.

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dtim
01.21.2012 , 02:57 PM | #40
Quote: Originally Posted by Descento View Post
if I am able to press NEED, then i'm allowed to do it


/thread
Yes, you are allowed to be a jerk.