SWTOR is less than a month old, wow is 7 years old. Why do people compare?

lol
The Co-founder of bioware called his own company dumb!

It is 2012, the features of modern MMO's should have been added to this game automatically. We need to compare this to the greatest MMO ever to give bioware an idea where they are at, in order to realise where the changes need to take place whether they copy a feature or do the complete opposite.

The fact that WoW is 7 years old means nothing.

Well, it means that Bioware had 7 years of Blizzard's failures to use as a base to design TOR around (and in many cases simply ignored the collective experience of all MMO's, with WoW being at the forefront).

But ultimately it doesn't matter how old either game is.

What matters is what the games are like NOW, as your choice (if choosing between WoW and TOR) is to play WoW as it is now, or play TOR as it is now.

Some leeway can be given for things such as number of raids/flashpoints/quests/etc - content, as content builds over time, and bugs will happen.

But basic design decisions and implementation, such as funky chat windows in TOR, completely uncustomizable UI in TOR, horrid LFG tool in TOR (worse than EQ2's was over 7 years ago), and other similar non-content things don't require gradual improvements over the years.

For example - Bioware was in no way required to design a 1999-era UI, and then over the coming years gradually bring it up to modern standards. They could have simply started with an aim to provide a modern UI and then given us one. Rift did. But Bioware CHOSE to include a nearly feature-less UI for some unknown (to all but them) reason.

Same thing can be said about dual specs and a LFD tool. I have never seen a statement from Bioware about why neither feature is included (and I don't want to turn this into a debate on the merits of either being included or not), but many people find these features incredibly useful in other games, and are surprised they are not here. The lack of either makes me think of this game as unnecessarily "old", and I suspect if both were added (or had been included at launch), more people would be happier than not. By a huge margin. I know the lonely group mobs around the TOR world would be excited by a bit of company.

Isn't this the wet dream of every WoW hating SWTOR fanboi? SWTOR killing WoW? So I guess that's why. Sadly the reality is different, much different than the delusions fanboiz have.

Still WoW is an old game that is about to hit a decade of flawless success. Hate them all you want, that is worth some, if not, a lot of respect.

So yeah, I die just a little inside thinking that a game that was given almost half a decade in development, the incredible sum of 200 million dollars to make, and in the end it does not even come close to WoW's first expansion from most perspectives.

But yeah, only time will determine it's fate.

Content to content no i do not expect a new game to have the amount of content a 7 year old game has.
What i do expect is for a new game to have current mmo tools and performance.
What your saying here is rca didnt have remote controls when they started making TV's so sanyo is going to be ok with out having remote controls till 7 year from now.
I know i be upset if i opened my brand new TV and there was no remote. Add to it that when i called about it i have a lot of fanboys tell me that this TV doesnt need a remote they just make you lazy anyways or told that the company is brand new and they just have not got around to adding remotes yet!
Common mmo tools of this modern age.
target of target windows
customizable UI's
lfg systems that work
appearance systems
comprehensive graphic settings that allow for both high and low end systems
Less loading screens
I am sure others could add more.

Nice! Though publicly buttering 600lb gorillas is a common PR tactic. "Bigger does work. Big has worked and frankly, WoW is the biggest. On a pure revenue basis it's probably the biggest game ever by a country mile. It generates so much revenue it's an incredible international business unto itself."

Okay, so they've established that WoW is big, bigger and biggest with as much drool as they could muster without laughing themselves unconscious - funny stuff. Killing with kindness can be an effective method for buying time to establish a market presence while minimizing pushback interruptions. It was fluff, not a mission statement.

Plus, Swtor has had an amazing launch

Because they expect WoW but with lightsabers.

This is something i posted in another thread.


What bothers me is that this game could have had alot more at launch. Look at rift, you had world events, rifts, dungeons, pvp and raids when it launched. And now just a couple months along they have chronicles and instant adventures. I admit im a BW fanboy but after the horrid monster that was DA2 and this i dunno how i can hold on now. Mass effect 3 is your only savior now. I can only take soo much hardmode dailies and pvp dailies over and over again.

I think it's quickly becoming clear that the WoW versus SWTOR debate can only be settled by a choreographed music number depicting a corny gang war like in West Side Story and staring each game's most rabid haters of the other game.

We'll draft Rift and LoTRO's developers as judges!