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Tobaswolff
01.21.2012 , 12:14 PM | #401
Quote: Originally Posted by ForceCowboy View Post
Travel times add absolutely nothing to a game. Zero. Zilch.

Would you be willing to watch a six hour long movie where five hours of it was just the main character driving and flying around to the next important piece of dialogue or action sequence? No the eff you wouldn't, so why do you tolerate it in your video games?

It's pointless.
Again, travel times are apart of an MMO's time sink structure, which exists to occupy you longer so you pay more in subscriptions. It also adds to game immersion. For some, not all.

The point isn't whether it's adding something or not, the point is you won't change it. No one is ever going to give you an instant teleport to go where you want to. It ruins much of what an RPG is supposed to be about.

If you don't like travel times, you most likely won't enjoy an MMO. Almost all of them have them. So again, it may be a genre you don't want to participate in.

It's not going to change. Scream, cry, kick, whine. It's here to stay, always has been, always will. So why bother arguing it? Leave. Tell the people who need your money I won't give it to you. This sends a very strong and clear message and is the best way to effect change in a game.

These forums are here so you can feel as if you're contributing something, when you aren't. They're a place for people to waste time, expelling their rage on whatever issue they might have, settle down, and then continue playing again. Or not.

Please prove otherwise. Show me constructive change that has come to any game that has resulted from a thread like this one.

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soldenal
01.21.2012 , 12:15 PM | #402
Quote: Originally Posted by JekRendar View Post
Ahaha. No kidding. Heaven forbid people actually...TALK in an MMO.

/sigh, I miss the Golden Age of MMOs, the Pre-Warcrap era. Now it's all ME, ME, ME.
This post really irritates me, people want faster travel to be able to help friends and guildies without pointless time waste, how exactly is that MEMEME? You sir should look into the mirror.

I say let people have options. And some random benefit if you use the space port traveling option, such as random encounter not available otherwise, that way it adds to the emmersion and encourage people to take space travel route when they have the time. There is much to be innovated right there.

Stop with the rosy golden MMO of the past nonsense. If the industry follow that vision, we will never have better entertainment as gamers.

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AeonWeapon
01.21.2012 , 12:16 PM | #403
Quote: Originally Posted by Tobaswolff View Post
That's fine, I respect it. But if you won't invest in current hardware to run a brand new game, it isn't Bioware's fault or problem. It's how computer gaming goes. And again, MMO's almost always have steep requirements due to so many different things happening around your character.

So again, please. You're not changing anything with this thread, you're wasting your time arguing about wasting your time. Try a different game genre. Play on a console. You will be so much happier.
My computer is only about 2 years old. I can't buy a new computer every 2 years. And that isn't that old. There's a problem actually when an MMO takes that long to load on a computer that's only 2 years old. It isn't streamlined enough for an online game community. And actually I'm convinced it's a design flaw, because I can run games with better graphics with little in the way of load time. But anyway, considering all that, they should just try to limit the loading screens.
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Knvkl
01.21.2012 , 12:17 PM | #404
I just wanted to agree with the OP. I have nothing more to add.

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Mrpoodles
01.21.2012 , 12:18 PM | #405
lol......never happy are we people?
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AeonWeapon
01.21.2012 , 12:19 PM | #406
Quote: Originally Posted by Tobaswolff View Post
Again, travel times are apart of an MMO's time sink structure, which exists to occupy you longer so you pay more in subscriptions.
This is such a horribly flawed argument.

If they want to keep their players, they should work to keep the game as entertaining as possible, then we will stay. Trying to get us to stay by wasting our time is not the way to do it, in fact, it is a way to drive off many of us who WON'T continue paying for a game that wastes our time and ceases to be fun.

When I start feeling like something is tedious, I stop doing it, unless I'm being payed to do it. In this case, I'm paying to do it, so if I'm not enjoying it, I'll stop.
I'm hot and you're not. I'm on Tattooine, you're on Hoth.
"Red thingy coming towards the green thingy. Wait, I think we're the green thingy!" --Galaxy Quest
Give us LFG tool & gear appearance customizing please-or I'll blast the Wookie!

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soldenal
01.21.2012 , 12:22 PM | #407
Quote: Originally Posted by Tobaswolff View Post
Again, travel times are apart of an MMO's time sink structure, which exists to occupy you longer so you pay more in subscriptions. It also adds to game immersion. For some, not all.
And reducing minding numbing time sink is why MMOs now have a bigger audience. Staring at scroll screen to meditate back mana would be your preference at this day and age I guess?

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MilkPudding
01.21.2012 , 12:32 PM | #408
Quote: Originally Posted by soldenal View Post
And reducing minding numbing time sink is why MMOs now have a bigger audience.
Word.

At least add the option for instant travel if people insist on time sink = immersion.

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adamzetti
01.21.2012 , 12:40 PM | #409
Take orbital stations out
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Tobaswolff
01.21.2012 , 12:58 PM | #410
Quote: Originally Posted by AeonWeapon View Post
This is such a horribly flawed argument.

If they want to keep their players, they should work to keep the game as entertaining as possible, then we will stay. Trying to get us to stay by wasting our time is not the way to do it, in fact, it is a way to drive off many of us who WON'T continue paying for a game that wastes our time and ceases to be fun.

When I start feeling like something is tedious, I stop doing it, unless I'm being payed to do it. In this case, I'm paying to do it, so if I'm not enjoying it, I'll stop.
That's not how they see it. They look for investors to pay for the development of these games. In current economic times, investors are afraid of new and shiny. They're looking for tried and true. Tried and true is very much what TOR is.

And while yes, I will agree that they have eliminated much of the time sink, they can't eliminate all of them. Investors want to see a return on their profit, and that profit is monthly subscriptions. If you travel faster, level faster, get bored faster, it puts more strains on development resources to pump out new content and keep you happy. Thus, the time sink.

An MMO is never going to be what you want it to be. It will always be tedious. If you can beat an MMO in 3 months in its entirety, then that game has failed to do what it's supposed to, keep you playing for years.

Even WoW has travel time sinks. And I'm not talking about how this was the golden age of MMO's, it's how the genre is built. The end. It's a business, and they will do what they think best to make money.

Which consequently isn't listening to you people whine in this thread about load times.

P.S. If you bought your computer prebuilt two years ago, then yes, by gaming definitions you have a dinosaur. While it would be prudent for Bioware to design a game that is friendlier to older machines to increase subscriber base as WoW did, it's something that most companies fail to do still. Why? Shiny graphics look better in advertisements.

Argue all you want. No one is listening, and you aren't starting your very own Occupy MMO here in this thread. You're whining about things that cannot and will not change in this game.

As a Stormtrooper once said...

Move along. Move along.