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Cross-server Flashpoint finder -- Still very badly needed

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Cross-server Flashpoint finder -- Still very badly needed

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Umbral
01.21.2012 , 10:37 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by AeonWeapon View Post
Makes complete sense to me. The fact is, a fraction of a server's population is online at the same time.
truth, and this is why the people spouting "join a guild" or "build a friends list" are just talking out of their a... umm... hats without thinking about what they're saying.

I always take the option of adding people to my friends list after a run, but have yet to have all the things one needs to fall into place happen to group with any of those people again. I need someone that's stayed around my current level, someone that wants to do the same content I want to do, and most importantly and rare, is on at the same time and has time to do the run.

It's pretty much the same story if you join a guild.

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Kahldor
01.21.2012 , 10:39 AM | #62
Cross-Server LFG is a LAZY solution for gaming companies. It was one of the worst ideas WoW had. Same-Server LFG and server merges are the best way to preserve a solid community IMHO.

Companies do not like to merge servers, because they feel as though they are admitting failure besides looking at it as a solution to providing too many servers. It is the best solution and then add LFG.

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Blackardin
01.21.2012 , 10:39 AM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by Touchbass View Post
You seem like you form two thoughts together so why don't you join us in the LFD thread in the suggestion box. We have people from all backgrounds posting in there and it's pretty civil. I'd be interested in your theories outside of your two sentence attack pieces.
Adding insults, such as "you seem like you form two thoughts together", will equally detract from any logical debate. I would suggest you refrain from that, unless that would be a means used by you to detract from opposing contention?

I attacked your argument, not you. You have yet to defend that argument, but, in turn, attacked my intellect.

If that is what you consider a civil debate, why would I want to join in? ;p

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Touchbass
01.21.2012 , 10:43 AM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackardin View Post
Look at what you wrote, then look up "straw man argument", and you will better see the logical falacy that exists in that statement.

Once we establish perimeters regarding the debate, then we can debate, but if you are going to use made up statistical data, inject hyperbole, conjecture, and straw man arguments, then there is no logical debate possible. Right?
I again diasgree with your assessment for the aforementioned reasons. I'm not going to go 15 rounds with you over definitions when all you do is evade and use defence tactics. Come to this forum:
http://www.swtor.com/community/showt...184796&page=58

post your thoughts, I'll get back to you later tonight or tomorrow and we can have a civil conversation.

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Umbral
01.21.2012 , 10:44 AM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by Kahldor View Post
Cross-Server LFG is a LAZY solution for gaming companies. It was one of the worst ideas WoW had. Same-Server LFG and server merges are the best way to preserve a solid community IMHO.

Companies do not like to merge servers, because they feel as though they are admitting failure besides looking at it as a solution to providing too many servers. It is the best solution and then add LFG.
The cross server LFD tool saved a large number of server communities. A very large number. A lot of lower pop servers had hemorrhaged players as they transfered to higher pop ones to find groups, and the LFD tool allowed players to stay on those low pop servers.

Server merges are THE last option BW should take. There's no worse "news" for a game than people to go to various gaming sites and see "SWTOR admits game is in trouble and starts merging servers."

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Touchbass
01.21.2012 , 10:46 AM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by Blackardin View Post
Adding insults, such as "you seem like you form two thoughts together", will equally detract from any logical debate. I would suggest you refrain from that, unless that would be a means used by you to detract from opposing contention?

I attacked your argument, not you. You have yet to defend that argument, but, in turn, attacked my intellect.

If that is what you consider a civil debate, why would I want to join in? ;p
If you took that as a insult I don't know what to tell you, you're the one poo slinging behind the condescending undertones. Again, join us there I'd love to have you. You'll probably have a field day with my stuff on page 6.

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corbanite
01.21.2012 , 10:48 AM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Touchbass View Post
Statements like this shows me that people don't understand the X-LFD debate

Btw, why on earth isn't this thread locked yet
You'ld be surprised.

I am in a small guild of about 10 people.

My first charcater I levelled solo an assassin tank.. DOn't see many of them about.. I levelled him for the guild to do stuff with them and being the only assassin tank in the guild I know I will be in demand come raid time and something different then a jugg. (I am brining something that no one else currently can in the guild)

After my experiences of Pug Tanking using cross server LFD in another game. I am never going to PuG tank again with people who cannot play.. are impolite and ninja.

I am currently levelling a healer. My first alt. I pug all day long with her.. Healing is fine can just sit back and keep everyone alive.. let them fight over loot who cares I have my own and I can cc a mob that hits me if the group let mobs go at me.


Find a guild on your server with people who play at the same time as you.. Advertise in the looking for guild forums what you want from a guild or join a big guild as a social and make some friends.

At worse you will have to join another server for this but it will be quicker and more pleasant then sitting around spamming for over an hour.

oh and start5 building up your friend list

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MillieTheStick
01.21.2012 , 10:49 AM | #68
No, no, no, a thousand times no.

I saw this happen in WoW and I admit, I used the LFG queue, but it gave me 0 drive to make friends, and 0 drive to socialize with my guild. In fact, I would use the LFG tool so I wouldn't have to apologize to anyone if I screwed up. I wasn't terribad, but I wasn't the best either, so I ended up preferring to run with people I didn't care one whit about.

I don't want that here. I miss the days where you had to be part of a community in an MMO to get things done. Even if your 'community' ends up being a small handful of players, it's worth it, IMO.

Really, I'd rather have the shakeup that server mergers would bring.

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Baaddare
01.21.2012 , 10:50 AM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by AeonWeapon View Post

Additionally, this is more a problem lately, because server population is light since the first month ended. I knew this would happen. Too many servers were made because everyone was crying for early access and then queues, but then so many players didn't play beyond the first month that came with the game. Now we're left with the player base scattered far across so many servers. Also, after the initial new game excitement wears off and people get it out of their system a bit and settle in, even subscribers generally play less each day.

TL;DR = There's less players now, we're all spread out on alot of light population servers, takes too long to find a team, ruins fun, we badly need a fast cross-server tool to find groups for flashpoints.
i keep checking to see how pops are doing and do not see light loads on servers during their peak times.
Now Minsc is in charge SWORDS FOR EVERYONE!

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Kahldor
01.21.2012 , 10:53 AM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by Umbral View Post
The cross server LFD tool saved a large number of server communities. A very large number. A lot of lower pop servers had hemorrhaged players as they transfered to higher pop ones to find groups, and the LFD tool allowed players to stay on those low pop servers.

Server merges are THE last option BW should take. There's no worse "news" for a game than people to go to various gaming sites and see "SWTOR admits game is in trouble and starts merging servers."
Sometimes in life it is best to admit when you messed up (too many servers too early) instead of sweeping it under the rug and putting a band-aid over it. See patch 1.1 (and X-server LFG). Taking responsibility for ones mistakes is nearly a lost attribute in Western Civilization. Parent's blame the teachers for their children's failures. Employees blame their boss for not getting raises. Politician's blame the other party for not getting their job done. It is not always bad to take ownership. Many people actually respect that more in the long-run. X-server and Free transfers are bandages that do nothing for the server's community IMO.