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So many battlemaster imps without even full tier 1 or 2 pvp gear?

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So many battlemaster imps without even full tier 1 or 2 pvp gear?

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Sicknss
01.20.2012 , 11:42 AM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Trushott View Post
/raised eyebrow

willingly?

try right on top of the spawn point un betweent the two turrets the whole no time to map out nothing just insta death .. and those that tried to tell others about going into WZ and let it kick you to fleet were freaking warned about telling others about the "exploit"

as they were getting spawn camped

so take your willing and put it where the sun dont shine
Ok, you know this first hand or do I have to repeat? Spawnk, instant AOE tagging multiple imps, turret kills imps you get valor. Try to keep up. There are Republic players in this very thread stating that they received very nice valor gains through all of this.

And again I'll ask, if they had no benefit, *** did they not rage log? There are people all over these forums claiming to rage CANCEL due to what they saw in a screenshot and yet people would willingly get spawn farmed for hours and hours with no benefit whatsoever? Completely rational, right?

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Astarica
01.20.2012 , 11:44 AM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by Sicknss View Post
I don't know the figures are accurate but they seem reasonable so I"ll treat them as such. Yes, it was a LOT of valor for each side. It was too much valor for each side. It wasn't OMGCANCLNAO game breaking and really just further shows that WZ valor is too little. It shouldn't take so many WZ matches to break 1 valor level as you approach 60.
Like I said it took me less time to get a full set of BM gear (which you can only get 2 bags per day) compared to a full set of Champion gear (which you can buy more bags of) just because you're guaranteed that all BM commendations can be used for something you need, while I'm sitting on my 5th Champion Implant and 3rd Champion Robe. Heck, before 1.1 I was sitting on my 3rd Battlemaster Helm (which got converted to 2X2 commendations after 1.1). So therefore the grind is the only end game for PvP right now and even shaving a few levels of that drastically reduces the amount of content available.

It'd be okay if they come up with new things to do in PvP, but I think that won't be happening until March. The difference between BM and Champion is considerable simply because every BM will be using their commendations to fill out those Champion slots that never dropped first if they're at all smart about it. I inspected a few guys on WZs and seems like most people either missed out the initial massive exploit, or that lag was so bad it helped keep some of the craziness in check. Still, when lag and the fact that Republics gave up on Ilum are the only thing that kept the Valor gain check, it can't possibly be a good thing.

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Sicknss
01.20.2012 , 11:44 AM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by FurQue View Post
I know people who were there farming valor on both sides, for more than 8 hours, some rose over 10 ranks. So don't try to down play this, what happened was ridiculous, and its a crying shame that nothing is going to be done to the accounts that gained so much for so very little effort.
OMG 10 ranks??? Rank 1 is 1,000 valor. Just because someone made 10 ranks (obviously low level or you would have specified) doesn't mean that they are 10 ranks closer to god gear, it means they are X valor closer.

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Astarica
01.20.2012 , 11:46 AM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by Sicknss View Post
Ok, you know this first hand or do I have to repeat? Spawnk, instant AOE tagging multiple imps, turret kills imps you get valor. Try to keep up. There are Republic players in this very thread stating that they received very nice valor gains through all of this.

And again I'll ask, if they had no benefit, *** did they not rage log? There are people all over these forums claiming to rage CANCEL due to what they saw in a screenshot and yet people would willingly get spawn farmed for hours and hours with no benefit whatsoever? Completely rational, right?
It was something like Empire get 200 valor per kill, while Republic get 80 per kill. Getting 80 per kill, especially when Turrets are instant gibbing anyone who get grappled into the Republic base, is still far better than what you'd do in WZs. If you killed 15 guys in 15 minutes, that's 1200 valor, far more likely than what you could possibly get in WZ (you're more likely to lose in a WZ as a Republic, remember). Therefore even though the other side was getting way more Valor than you are, it's still advantageous for the Republics.

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FurQue
01.20.2012 , 11:46 AM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Sicknss View Post
OMG 10 ranks??? Rank 1 is 1,000 valor. Just because someone made 10 ranks (obviously low level or you would have specified) doesn't mean that they are 10 ranks closer to god gear, it means they are X valor closer.
From 50 up

you seem exceedingly desperate to defend what happened, I take it you were one of the major benefactors of what happened?

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Sicknss
01.20.2012 , 11:48 AM | #46
Quote: Originally Posted by Astarica View Post
It'd be okay if they come up with new things to do in PvP, but I think that won't be happening until March. The difference between BM and Champion is considerable simply because every BM will be using their commendations to fill out those Champion slots that never dropped first if they're at all smart about it. I inspected a few guys on WZs and seems like most people either missed out the initial massive exploit, or that lag was so bad it helped keep some of the craziness in check. Still, when lag and the fact that Republics gave up on Ilum are the only thing that kept the Valor gain check, it can't possibly be a good thing.
I'm not saying it was good thing. I'm saying that it's nothing like these whiners are crying about since they'r completely clueless due to not witnessing a damn thing first hand. No one who was there, from either side, is calling for BW heads to roll.

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Dronp
01.20.2012 , 11:51 AM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Astarica View Post
It was something like Empire get 200 valor per kill, while Republic get 80 per kill. Getting 80 per kill, especially when Turrets are instant gibbing anyone who get grappled into the Republic base, is still far better than what you'd do in WZs. If you killed 15 guys in 15 minutes, that's 1200 valor, far more likely than what you could possibly get in WZ (you're more likely to lose in a WZ as a Republic, remember). Therefore even though the other side was getting way more Valor than you are, it's still advantageous for the Republics.
Pretty much...I went from 42-50 on the Ilum farm and I was there for only 3-4 hours total maybe? Getting 20 per kill most of the time with some 40 and 60 sprinkled in. Now imagine what the Imps who were there for 10+ hours got with a 100+ valor kill bonus. You could easily go from 50-60 without any effort. If you think otherwise you either weren't there or you benefited from it. At this point I'm past caring tho and don't expect Bioware to do anything....they've already shown to be completely incompetent when it comes to PvP and many other things concerning MMO's. I'm just passing time till the next blizz game is released.

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djvapid
01.20.2012 , 11:51 AM | #48
The fact that Bioware has already said they won't roll back valor gains is enough to stop PvPing altogether. Don't quit the game - the game is great. Just boycott PvP. Let the exploiting Imperials fight themselves in Huttball. (That's already the case on many servers, including a nonexistant Ilum for Republic.)

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Astarica
01.20.2012 , 11:53 AM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by Sicknss View Post
I'm not saying it was good thing. I'm saying that it's nothing like these whiners are crying about since they'r completely clueless due to not witnessing a damn thing first hand. No one who was there, from either side, is calling for BW heads to roll.
It shows extremely poor judgment on Bioware's part. Imagine if Ilum didn't crawl to 1 FPS due to the engine limitation, I bet we'd have quite a few valor rank 100 characters now. You can't say 'good thing everyone who tried to exploited got held back by the 1 FPS so it all worked out'. 50K valor, using my earlier estimates, would be something like 10 hours of nonstop WZ action (and winning all of them), and most people easily got above that in 1-2 hours. The valor gain should've been capped at 50K (roughly level 59-60) and I think you'd stop a lot of the crying. That's still a lot of valor for doing relatively little (no way whatever people did in Ilum is comparable in effort to 10 hours of nonstop WZ and winning all of them), but it's something I think most people can live with.

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Sicknss
01.20.2012 , 11:53 AM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by FurQue View Post
From 50 up

you seem exceedingly desperate to defend what happened, I take it you were one of the major benefactors of what happened?
You seem exceedingly desperate to BS the rest of us. Saying I gained 16000 valor after hours of spawn farming is just a valuable without proof of the claim. Backup your statements.