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George Lucas Blames 'Star Wars' Critics for Killing Series

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George Lucas Blames 'Star Wars' Critics for Killing Series

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BlueMysticNinja
01.19.2012 , 10:41 PM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by Twinstorm View Post
Agreed.
Now that's what I'm talking about! Thank you.

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Jornas
01.20.2012 , 12:01 AM | #72
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I found this really hilarious. I honestly had no idea about all this trash talk and criticism toward George Lucas over the Star Wars saga until I read about it here and subsequently looked up a few things. Holy crap. What a bunch of incredibly huge nerds out there. Who the **** cares if the something was a little different in one movie from the other or slightly different from some book? Just watch the movie and enjoy it for entertainment and stop getting your nerd panties in a wad because you drool at the thought of anything deviating even one single iota from your precious source material (or any other material).

The same exact issue I've with the Lord of the Rings series. I was a huge fan growing up of Tolkien and read all the books, the Silmarillion, Book of Lost Tales, and so on. And I waited in line for a couple hours every year to get into the movie theater early when the movies were being released. There are still people who complain emphatically about the movie's and any deviations from the source. Jeezuz. Who *********** cares? If the movie was bad (really bad) that would be one thing but no one in their right mind can say the Lord or the Rings trilogy or Star Wars are "bad" movies unless they are some deluded super nerd. Just watch movies for entertainment purposes and stop playing critic. Maybe you will enjoy it more.
The difference is a lot of the hate for the LOTR movies had nothing to do with the writing, acting, CGI or directing, which were all top notch. The hate came from obsessed fans who felt the movies deviated too much from the source materials.

The newer Star Wars films are deeply, deeply flawed. The writing was awful and so was a lot of the acting. Several great actors like Samuel L Jackson and Liam Neeson were completely underutilized. The only thing that redeemed the movies at all was the CGI - which btw is quickly becoming dated when compared to the latest generation of sci fi and fantasy films. Yes, maybe people had too high expectations - but it's not a good thing when the best Star Wars movie I've seen in the past 10 years was the opening sequence for SWTOR.

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darkehawke
01.20.2012 , 02:04 AM | #73
yeah had nothing to do with his obsession of special effects resulting in the prequels being packed with special effects and no focus on characters.
Also had nothing to do with the way he screwed over authors.

He may have given us Star Wars but he's been intent on dismantling the franchise for a while it seems
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Kharnis
01.20.2012 , 02:12 AM | #74
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Fixed that for you.
And yet, here you are. Giving him money. What's that word I'm trying to think of again? Oh,yeah! Hypocrite.
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01.20.2012 , 02:26 AM | #75
Well I cant blame the man for being tired of all the criticism. Funny though how all the whiners and critics keep coming back to watch the movies, read the books, play the games and buy more merchandise. Even though I may have found some things a little cheesy at times, I think it was really meant to be that way. I know that when I go to my grave star wars will be one of the things that I will remember most and my family spent a good part of their lives revolving around it. Even if Lucas retires and maybe someone else will step in and make the last three movies it will still have Lucas written all over it. The man has made his way in history no doubt so he has nothing to worry about from those that complain all the time. Just do what makes YOU happy and don't worry about the what others say. Either they will love you for it or they will hate you. If they hate you well then it's their loss I suppose.
As far as changing things with star wars, blue ray, enhanced, 3D or whatever, it gives the community the opportunity to choose what they like best. If you like the old stuff stick with it, if you like the new go for that. It's your choice and no one is forcing your hand either way. I think it's great that he gives us the many options to pick from. Hey , you can't please everyone all the time. Personally I congratulate the man on all his accomplishments and for bringing a galaxy far far away into our lives. /salute George Lucas

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dannythefool
01.20.2012 , 02:46 AM | #76
This whole thing kind of reminds me of Nintendo saying that "the customers don't understand the product yet" when they had to lower the 3DS price tag...

Because that's usually who is to blame for a failure - the people who had no say at all in how the product was designed... right.

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01.20.2012 , 02:50 AM | #77
Episode 1 and 2 were not particularly good. I mean, they're good movies, just not up to the standard of the original trilogy. Episode 3, however, was great. I feel like it was quite worthy to have been a prequel film to the OT. While there were a few things I didn't like, it had a much more serious and well thought out approach. When I watch Episode 3 I feel like I'm actually watching a Star Wars film. Anakin played a much less annoying character than in Episode 2.

If anything, parts of the film felt rushed. By rushed I mean they could have been longer and more fleshed out. I think the way Darth Sidious convinced Anakin to be his apprentice was too brief and unconvincing. He had a few brief conversations and suddenly Anakin is betraying everyone that matters to him? I feel like his final steps toward the darkside could have been improved upon a lot. Also, that ******** with Padme 'losing her will to live' was awful. Made zero *********** sense.
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organikax
01.20.2012 , 02:55 AM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by Arkerus View Post
/giant facepalm

No one suddenly becomes calm and calculating. Anakin always was. It was his nature. His downfall was his emotion but that was supposed to be a moment in time. A spark, if you will. All through 1, 2 & 3 he nothing but a whiney, bratty little boy.



Would you call the Emperor a bad sith because he's not emotional? He's the epitome of evil and he's naturally calm, cold and ruthless.

So your theory is totally bunk. Anakin was butchered as a character in the first 3 movies. Ask anyone who is a genuine fan what they thought Anakin was supposed to. Hell, listen to Ben talk about Anakin in episode 4. What Ben describes and what Lucas filmed were totally different.
I disagree with what you are saying, to say people can't change, and become calm and calculating is totally stupid. As you get older, life changes, things can happen, and these all can alter your personality and your perspective on life. Have you ever taken in the fact that Anakin was young in all three of those movies? You even said it yourself he was a little boy. Compare a sixteen year old kid to an old man, you'll see a big difference in the way they act. I mean look what happened in the third movie, I'm pretty sure that his lover dying, killing young children, and all of those random things could have changed him into what later on became Darth Vader? Perhaps Darth Vader was so good at being bad and really just didn't give a **** because he already screwed everything up, I mean he screwed up the whole Jedi order, republic, he lost the love of his life and all he really could do was keep on moving forward with Darth Sidious and the empire? He fought Obi Wan in the moment and the same thing goes for the way he acted out against Padme, perhaps he was just caught up in the glory of the darkside? Do you not remember at the end of the third movie, he was outraged by Padme's death and perhaps all these dark events are what made Darth Vader's personality in the other movies? I mean it's not like he could go back and tell Obi Wan that he's sorry for what had happened, his only chance of redeeming himself was helping Luke in the last movie to defeat Darth Sidious. He had no choice after his actions in third movie, and he later on probably just became so numbed from all of his actions and that is what made him act the way he did in the older movies?
Also perhaps he is like what twenty five years older in those movies? As you get older, you become wiser and less ignorant, and have you ever considered the fact that maybe Darth Sidious wasn't always the way he was? Sorry for the rant, I just felt like saying that, although I do agree the movies aren't too great and it is more of the Old Republic that keeps me in to Star Wars. People just take it too serious and either way, George Lucas is rich.

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Kadic
01.20.2012 , 03:46 AM | #79
Quote: Originally Posted by Jornas View Post
The difference is a lot of the hate for the LOTR movies had nothing to do with the writing, acting, CGI or directing, which were all top notch. The hate came from obsessed fans who felt the movies deviated too much from the source materials.

The newer Star Wars films are deeply, deeply flawed. The writing was awful and so was a lot of the acting. Several great actors like Samuel L Jackson and Liam Neeson were completely underutilized. The only thing that redeemed the movies at all was the CGI - which btw is quickly becoming dated when compared to the latest generation of sci fi and fantasy films. Yes, maybe people had too high expectations - but it's not a good thing when the best Star Wars movie I've seen in the past 10 years was the opening sequence for SWTOR.
Yea, I guess I can see your point. But I never really thought of the Star Wars trilogy as any great piece of literature anyway. All of them have come off to me as fairly juvenile and poorly acted. As a kid though, of course, I thoroughly enjoyed the Episodes 4,5, and 6 and I have to admit even as an adult that for sheer entertainment sake the first 3 episodes are fun to watch (lots of great CGI, special effects, action, fights, etc....). But, no I don't think there is anything profound in them and I have to agree some of the acting and scripting is not done well but for that matter, again, I don't think the earlier episodes were really any better in all honesty. In many ways they are less entertaining as of today because of the dated effects.

The bottom line regarding my original post was that it's funny to watch these obsessed fans get so inflamed over deviations from source material or other perceived injustices (such as adding digitally enhancements to the new Star Wars Saga on Blu-Ray). Holy crap I actually thought it gave a nice addition to the film and looked kinda neat. Why would I want to watch EXACTLY the same thing again?? If I have the choice between seeing the exact same thing or something new I would choose something new every time. What is the problem there when seeing a slightly altered scene? No, really. What is the issue you are struggling with as a viewer who is trying to be entertained? How is your enjoyment of that scene blocked by the addition of some slightly new digital enhancements to the scene? What it begins to look like is this is just nerd bit**ing for nerd bit**ing sake.

And someone else earlier in this thread mad a great point. They basically said "it's not your universe so stop whining about changes, source material, characters you don't like, altered footage, etc.... because if it that matters that much to you then go write your own saga where you can exactly as you wish.". And it makes sense too. If your enjoyment is so directly tied to your vision of the "correct" way to portray a story then why not write your own story? I couldn't possibly agree more with that statement. If you are so bent on having it EXACTLY how you need it then why not write your own epic tale?

Look, I get it. If you're a big fan and you want to banter about something you wish they didn't change (or omit from source) then fine. A good example from LOTR is the Tom Bombadil chapter that was decided to be left out because the film creators didn't think it had enough importance to the story to take up that much screen time (and money). Yea, it would have been cool to have that scene but, oh well, it's still an amazing movie. To get so inflamed and angry and to hurl such criticisms at the makers in such scenarios is just ridiculous and childish.

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MaximusRex
01.20.2012 , 03:53 AM | #80
I would have hated to be most of your guys parents, I could just imagine what a nightmare bed time story time would be.

The man had a dream to tell a story, he lived out his dream and all he got was pissed on. I'm not talking about, "I didn't really care for the movie" I'm talking "He's satan and he ruined my childhood and touched my naughty spot!".

It's his story, let him tell it how he likes, if you don't like it, don't buy it.