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Bag RNG System: Aging Poorly


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Ruwe
01.20.2012 , 01:40 AM | #151
Quote: Originally Posted by JackKerras View Post
'Let's see if purples drop' is getting old fast.

Every guild has a guy who's opened thirty bags and not gotten a single piece of gear out of them. My guildie has been doing PvP dailies and weeklies for a solid month and still doesn't have a mainhand lightsaber that's worth a damn.

There's another guy, same class, who is purpled out. These two guys have been running together this entire time; one is geared, the other is shafted.

There're a bunch of ways to fix this, but I think that the -best- way (that still remains reasonably easy to do) is to have a quest chain.

In progress, they may look like this!

Mercenary Warzone Mastery I:

DPS-focused Medals in Warzones: 22/36
Healing Medals in Warzones: 5/8
Complete Huttball passes, Ball Handler Kill Assists, Bomb Plants/Disarms, or Terminal Slices: 47/64


Sniper Warzone Mastery IV:

DPS-focused Medals in Warzones: 27/44
Solo Kill Medals in Warzones: 20/20
Complete Huttball passes, Ball Handler Kill Assists, Bomb Plants/Disarms, or Terminal Slices: 68/75


Reward: One piece of PvP tier gear, your choice. Each reptition of the quest, the numbers get a little larger; 38 intead of 36. NO BIG JUMPS. Progression, not sudden, irritating grindwalls.

Give people a real objective instead of 'get bag, hope for loot'.

And adding passes, plants and slices to this equation means even people who only want to kill will have a -good reason- to complete victory conditions instead of going straight for killing enemies. Don't say 'win games to get bags', say 'do these objectives to get gear'; winning games will progress naturally from people having a good reason to do objectives instead of just fight the enemy.

Random bags are not interesting, they're not fun, and they do not drive the player to do anything except -show up- for games. Yes, winning has incentive. No, winning does not have clear goals set before players who do not have the interest to play the gametypes.
By far one of the most constructive posts I've seen on the forums in a long time. Addressed an issue and provided a viable and GOOD solution. Bravo!!!

I was actually coming onto the forum to make a post about the exact same thing, the broken bag system. I have a bit of gear off of it, but I've opened well into the 40 bag range, I have no chest piece, no main hand, no headpiece, the centurion gear that I've purchased with my comms is at the very best a lateral move for me, in most cases it would be a serious downgrade. My companion is looking good though... has almost as much expertise/stats as I do at this point...... because I have gotten the same pieces of gear over and over.....

The bag system is broken. If player A spends 40 hours in WZ's and has 5 pieces of gear and player B spends 40 hours in WZ's and has 2 pieces of gear. That my friends is a broken system.

This was a well thought out post with an answer to the broken system and I applaud your efforts!
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dannythefool
01.20.2012 , 01:46 AM | #152
Halfway predictable progress is always a good thing, I can only support this idea.

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JackKerras
01.20.2012 , 01:46 AM | #153
Quote: Originally Posted by Radiozo View Post
Took me one hour to complete the ilum daily last night. Opened the bag and got my third damn implant. Im done with this game.
Yep!

You have joined the club with all the folks who have identical shirts for every day of the week.

Ill-conceived system is broken and terrible. If the things could be traded at least there could be some kind of secondary market but nooooo, MMORPGs these days don't -get- to have an actual economy.

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Tumba
01.20.2012 , 01:48 AM | #154
Great idea!
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Radiozo
01.20.2012 , 01:49 AM | #155
Its also the only quest I can do since after they added lvl 50 bracket warzones dont exists on ICE Breaker. So one bag every day and a total of ten every week. Gonna take forever.
Come to think about it why bother with it since the PVP is dead anyways.
Name and class: Ozo - Sith Sorceror Level 50
Server: ICE Breaker
Guild: Troika

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Ghingis
01.20.2012 , 01:52 AM | #156
Or, just get to rank 60, which is incredibly easy, then choose what gear you'd like.
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JackKerras
01.20.2012 , 01:55 AM | #157
Quote: Originally Posted by Ghingis View Post
Or, just get to rank 60, which is incredibly easy, then choose what gear you'd like.
...That doesn't actually work?

Yay! Three coins in a bag, one bag per day! Three weeks' worth of effort getting Battlemaster bags to buy my Champion main-hand!

Also, Dude A does the same thing and gets bunches of Battlemaster gear, while Dude B doesn't get Battlemaster Gear. Dude A is now better! For no reason. Dude B could be a much better player. If that's the case (and Dude B will undoubtedly think it is at any rate) then Dude B will just ragequit.

The system works!

What a joke.

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Radiozo
01.20.2012 , 01:58 AM | #158
Quote: Originally Posted by Ghingis View Post
Or, just get to rank 60, which is incredibly easy, then choose what gear you'd like.
Tell me how im supposed to get to 60 when there is zero warzones spawning and no people that do pvp on Ilum.
Name and class: Ozo - Sith Sorceror Level 50
Server: ICE Breaker
Guild: Troika

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Ghingis
01.20.2012 , 02:01 AM | #159
Quote: Originally Posted by JackKerras View Post
...That doesn't actually work?

Yay! Three coins in a bag, one bag per day! Three weeks' worth of effort getting Battlemaster bags to buy my Champion main-hand!

Also, Dude A does the same thing and gets bunches of Battlemaster gear, while Dude B doesn't get Battlemaster Gear. Dude A is now better! For no reason. Dude B could be a much better player. If that's the case (and Dude B will undoubtedly think it is at any rate) then Dude B will just ragequit.

The system works!

What a joke.
Yea, although you get BM commendations, so you can choose what gear you want.
I honestly dont know why people are whining this much, its a luck based system, just like raiding is. Its not like its HARD to attain gear, and if you are better skilled then the other player, the small difference between someone with abit of luck and someone without it, is extremely slim and wont change the outcome. Unless its against a geared Operative.
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Ghingis
01.20.2012 , 02:01 AM | #160
Quote: Originally Posted by Radiozo View Post
Tell me how im supposed to get to 60 when there is zero warzones spawning and no people that do pvp on Ilum.
Thats what you get for camping Ilum with a million people.
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