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Gunslinger is to weak compared to other classes

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Gunslinger is to weak compared to other classes

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SwordoftheStars
01.18.2012 , 09:30 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by JediDuckling View Post
im sorry when i saw this post i laughed.

gunslingers in cover with that extra cover sheild to make it even bigger then the aoe massive sheild makes them pretty dam hard to kill
im sorry i had to laugh when i read this excuse of a sentence, do you even know how the sniper/slinger works ?

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Desgarden
01.18.2012 , 09:33 AM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by Aidank View Post
The class is fine, you do amazing burst and sustained damage and even though cover can suck you've got a lot of cc to make up for it.
Ok, then explain to use the damage mitigation system because (no offense meant) you seem to have no clue about.


Quote: Originally Posted by Scratchie View Post
If you started using Crouch instead of Take Cover then over half the complaints in this thread magically disappear.
I am sorry but I doubt you play a gunslinger or sniper. Why? It is quite common to get kicked out from cover and then even crouch seems to have an internal delay and sometimes the icon is even greyed out for 2-3 seconds.

Also, it seems if you get rooted sometimes, you cannot go into cover either.

The idea of cover is good. The mechanic is clumsy, though



Personally I play as a lethality sniper and enjoy it because it suffers less from the cover glitches (I can still use my most potent stuff even if cover is bugged or delayed as so often) and I am also not crippled by the damage mitigation since (nearly) all a marksman has is weapon damage (haha).

However, I dread the day the healers find their dispel button. Boy, then there is no sniper spec which is even remotely on par with a dps specced BH or sorc
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kenjin
01.18.2012 , 09:42 AM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by wixxkruppel View Post
I'm not saying sniper/gunslinger don't have their issues, however, 99% of the snipers I see are absolutely dreadful, and have no clue as to how to play their class.

No chaining rifle attacks.

Using cover pulse with zero intelligence. If you're playing huttball, all it takes is one debilitate/flashbang -> reposition -> pulse -> goodbye.

Zero IQ positional sense (hey, let's stand 15m away from the alderaan mid turret on the ground floor, so absolutely everyone will see I'm a free kill with my shiny shield)

List goes on...

As for damage, I've seen snipers take ~50% of my health with one shot.
are you level 30 with 6k HP or something??

highest one shot damage i did was on a lvl 10 lowbie with 4.5k crit on ambush. on fully geared expertise lvl 50 toons my ambush crits for 2k average. you tell me thats alot of damage compare to other class???

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01.18.2012 , 09:47 AM | #64
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Scratchie
01.18.2012 , 10:25 AM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by Desgarden View Post
Ok, then explain to use the damage mitigation system because (no offense meant) you seem to have no clue about.




I am sorry but I doubt you play a gunslinger or sniper. Why? It is quite common to get kicked out from cover and then even crouch seems to have an internal delay and sometimes the icon is even greyed out for 2-3 seconds.

Also, it seems if you get rooted sometimes, you cannot go into cover either.

The idea of cover is good. The mechanic is clumsy, though



Personally I play as a lethality sniper and enjoy it because it suffers less from the cover glitches (I can still use my most potent stuff even if cover is bugged or delayed as so often) and I am also not crippled by the damage mitigation since (nearly) all a marksman has is weapon damage (haha).

However, I dread the day the healers find their dispel button. Boy, then there is no sniper spec which is even remotely on par with a dps specced BH or sorc
I've never had any issues with crouch except a few huttball ledges which I try to avoid for obvious reasons. Hell have the time my charged burst shots are halfway done casting before my player completes his crouching personal shield crouch.

Im not gonna lie and say the class is flawless but if you have half a brain then you can do some serious work in team based fighting. You know the only kind of fighting that actually matters.

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maximusedward
01.19.2012 , 05:59 PM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by Shmn View Post
Snipers are really solid.

Cover cannot be leaped to. Cannot be interrupted in. Cannot be pulled from, and as if that wasn't enough, 1/3 of the time you're immune to CC (entrenched).
Wait what? Cover cannot be leaped to? Obviously if you're behind something not to mention the only cover protects you from is other green lasers and not grenades/missiles Lightning/force actk. cover is easily interruptable by a knock-back/cc which every melee and their mother like to spam.
Not to mention the entrench skill sacrifices mobility, so if you're planing on killing the sorc that you busted down to 25% health you have two options:
1: stay trenched and watch the healer break your los by simply going behind a wall which exist in every WZ.
2: get out of entrench to chase down the healer which leaves vulnerable to cc and there goes your 20 sec cc immunity with a min cd.
compared to the sorcs/sage bubbles our entrench skill is pretty gimped in risk vs reward.

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Magaric
01.19.2012 , 06:05 PM | #67
Burst is great except people are gearing up now. My burst does aprox 8k thats good yeah but all it takes is 1 medpac and 1 heal and now i'm screwed cause my burst is gone and now i'm seen. Sure WZ you can put out damage but compared to others its so so.

They need to add a healing debuff imo to our aimed shot. That would level it out a bit and do what burst does best kill healers.
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ddayyy
01.19.2012 , 06:07 PM | #68
Have you tried respeccing to Lethality build? I haven't tried that myself since my Sniper is just a low level alt atm, but I'm told it works wonders for pvp and doesn't require cover all the time like marksman.

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Lady_Alyria
01.19.2012 , 06:20 PM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by ddayyy View Post
Have you tried respeccing to Lethality build? I haven't tried that myself since my Sniper is just a low level alt atm, but I'm told it works wonders for pvp and doesn't require cover all the time like marksman.
It adds some mobility and makes you suck less in pvp. But the problem still lies in that as a gunslinger I can spec contrary to my pve needs, play on the edge of my seat, increase my reflex/reaction time -or- be a trooper, scratch my butt with one hand, spam Grav Round with the other for the same level of effectiveness.

It's not that you can't do well in pvp as a gunslinger, it's that it's so, so, so much harder than any other class.

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Wrakk
01.19.2012 , 06:44 PM | #70
Gunslinger's mechanic is somewhat of a joke.

For example:

If you go for sharpshooter build(for which most people go), you basically lack a thing which is maybe most important factor in any pvp ----> MOBILITY. You're literally an immovable turret with mediocre dmg ( sage does same + more damage and retains his mobility + has healing ). When they get to you, you're mostly dead ( usually flipping in and out of cover 'til you die ) without any excuse due to lack of proper CC for kiting, such as 'hamstring' + you wear medium armor.

If you instead go for a tree that enables you to retain some mobility ( dirty fighting), you do so at the cost of damage, and as well you are faced with horrible energy consumption problems.

In overall, it's least played class in game atm, cause it basically SUCKS ( due to it's buggy mechanic ).

Cover mechanic is useless at times, mostly due to ability delay problem; although many times i noticed myself being crowd controlled even with 'hunker down' ability popped. Most of the abilites have huge cast times and sometimes i noticed many of them simply not going off for 5-10 secs.

This class basically only works ok in PvE, though in PVP you will usually be outmatched by classes such as: Jedi Sage ( dps ), Commando or Scoundrel with no problem.

Please Bioware, start considering some workover on this class/mechanic because it's obvious that it fails in so many ways.