Never going to ding 50, 1-49 is Skill based.

That's not the big issue. The issue is that they'll be premades, they won't have to level out and then re-level, they'll just put on the best gear and roll lowbies all day. I don't know why they will, but they will, because that's just what some people find fun.

No one is denying that 50 battlemaster against a level 10 was not super imbalanced. That's why the bracket was implemented, and everyone is very happy about it, INCLUDING 50s.

But if you're trying to argue that a level 49 in full 49 purples has less of an advantage over a level 20 in quest greens/blues than a 50 in battlemaster has over a 50 in blues and greens...

Well I don't know what to say to you.

That's exactly what I'm saying. Where is this epic level 49 set you're talking about, how much expertise does it have, and what is the item rating on the pieces?

Since it seems people need a reminder here, this discussion is in NO way about whether the 50s bracket is a good idea. Everyone can agree that both brackets are immensely more fun because of it.

This discussion is over the op's claim that pvp from 10-49 is more balanced and more player skill dependent than that at 50. And That is simply a ludicrous claim.

Sadly, this is true.

Thank you....

You're missing the point, but I'll indulge. Lets assume bolster acts to buff your current gear up to level 49. Thus the difference in gear is only in the rarity. It is very easy to get full oranges with full purple armoring, skill, mods, barrels, hilts etc. So we're measuring your average questing green/blue vs purples.

This same difference will be present at 50, for maybe the first 2 days that a player is 50, before that 50 begins to get their own purples.

So for two days, and taking huge decreasing steps, the battlemaster only has the advantage of about 12% offense, 12% defense, 12% healing in expertise, over the 49 compared to the 20. Every very easily obtainable pvp purple (purple doesn't mean nearly as much as in WoW) takes a huge % chunk out of that advantage.

Now, lets see what skills a 20 scrapper scoundrel is missing compared to a 49 counterpart:

Sneak
Disappearing Act
Triage
Dodge
Tendon Blast
Defense Screen
Shoot First
Freighter Flyby

Now, lets look at what talent points are missing compared to the 49 counterpart:

Free back blast
Flying Fists (extra damage proc on sucker punch)
Self heal on pugnacity
Extra upperhands from flying fist
Energy back on dodging
Flechette Round
9% cunning
6% crit
10% blaster whip damage

And this isn't even including improvements to skills they don't yet have.

You would trade all of that for 12% statistical advantages? Missing your 2 primary damage dealing skills, missing all of your defensive skills? I'm trying not to be a jerk here but can you see how your argument is fairly ridiculous?

You cant be serious. Reread the thread and say no one was trying to kill their fun

My point is for what reason, besides your own ego, does this even need to be argued in a thread that is clearly new pvp players?

I would guess you are trying to control this thread because you dont like the thought of people enjoying PVP in way that does not have being 50 and gear obsessed at the center.

Let's be honest here: a equally skilled level 49 WILL beat an equally skilled level 11. BUT, that doesn't mean they can't put up a fighting chance.

With the previous system, if you were level 11 and a 50 looked at you, you just turned the other way. Fresh 50's weren't too hard to deal with, but with 6 bags waiting at 50, they usually got something.

Why can't the man defend his point to pvp at 50 and that the idea that pvp is dead post 49 is a silly one. The fact that the op stroked his own ego spurs the egos of others.