Never going to ding 50, 1-49 is Skill based.

I agree totally. I was just debunking his initial post that 50 pvp is now skill less and the 10-49 bracket takes more skill then the all 50 bracket. I'm saying it's now more balanced for level 50s bracket then the 10-49 because of obvious reasons....

The advantage is there assuming completely equal playing space in your average pug which is completely not true. In the ranked wzs/arenas of the future where it will indeed be competitive top players against competitive top players? All the gear will be equal, and there it will be played out as such. You're looking for such a playing field when it's completely disorganized? There are much bigger factors to look at first, such as premade against premade, some kind of ELO ranking for players. Gear is FAR from the dominating factor here, even if people keep trying to argue that point. THAT is the point I'm trying to make, and THAT is what you are not understanding repeatedly. That assumption you're making is a very very big assumption. If you are given full battlemaster gear I promise the pvp guild battlemaster premade will still roll through your pug team. It's not because of their gear, iti's because they're better players, and better coordinated.

If that is all the argument that you need, then I counter with myself being a server top ranked arena player. Not quite tourney level, but high enough to matter. If you want that top level of play, put in the effort, wait for ranked games, but I offer this caveat, if you are going to be relevant in that top level of play, all this talk about gear would have been moot to you a long time ago.

You'll also see level 49 geared premades all day long. No thanks.

Op you are delusional when you still think that expertise was the main contributor for level 50's to annihilate you.

You could also be just really bad. How is it skill when a level 10 guy has to go a level 49 one? How many buttons can the level 10 one press again? You could make the brackets as small as same levels only if you would really want something about skill and then you would still have problems.

[QUOTE=BocaProwler;1885698]I respect your wanting a level playing field in PVP. I do. But that is not what MMOs are about. MMOs are about progression, about giving players something to work towards. Maybe someday they will release an e-sport version, ie the wow arena server, or something crazy like Warhammer did with their scenarios. But that is not what an MMO would be about, it would create a completely different game dynamic.

In the meantime, stop trying to create the sense that pvp at 50 is unplayable without battlemaster gear. That is sensationalistic, and just completely untrue. What you are requesting would be akin to saying, I want to be able to do the highest level raids RIGHT NOW because other players are able to, never mind that they put in the time and effort to gear up for those encounters.

ooooh 49 twinks with their rating 90-100 [blue] (orange) gear after having faced level 50s with up to rating 140 [epic]s loaded with expertise... scary

Exactly true skill is when all things are equal...never will all things be equal with 10-49. Competitive yes but save the skill talk...

I totally agree with you, I still shed a fictive tear thinking about classic DAoC.

And

/signed OP

I dinged 50 day after patch as a merc healer.
With an average of 2 to 4 medals per game against kitted opponents I do not see any reason to PvP anymore as it will always be a losing battle.

None of us are trying to kill the buzz of non 50s. What you people keep missing is that even geared 50s are very happy with the change. 50s with pvp gear belong pvping against other 50s with access to pvp gear.

NO one is arguing that fact.

What we are arguing is that people seem to think that all the skilled pvpers and skilled pvp goes on in the 10-49 bracket, where no pvp gear exists. Whereas it's quite the opposite, the vast majority of skilled pvpers are 50 already, and games at 50 are much more dependent on player skill and team coordination.

10-49 is certainly much much more fun without the 50s. There is no denying that. But it's not because only skilled pvpers without pvp gears are what remains.

You misread. I wasn't saying 10-49 is no fun. Read again. Try again.