Never going to ding 50, 1-49 is Skill based.

I don't even have a level 50 yet, probably won't for some time, but this is simply untrue. Now I PvP on both sides, 41+ Sith Sorcerer, 30 Imp Agent Sniper, 16 Sith Warrior, 35 Gunslinger, 17 Trooper, 17 Jedi Sage.

PvP in the under 50 bracket is more fun, but if once side has a bunch of sub 14 players and the other doesn't it is a definite disadvantage. You don't get Sprint or a personal shield, that I recall, until 14.

Having said that I PvP quite a bit between doing world quest lines, my 35 Gunslinger for example is at 34 valor, has one champion bag in the bank, all the level 40 gear, and 600 Valor badges and 600 Merc badges. If you like to PvP getting the gear, in my opinion, won't be an insurmountable problem.

Gear progression is a part of every MMO and isn't going anywhere, if for no other reason than it keeps people playing longer. Personally I like gear progression in both PvP and PvE and I like the fact that both require different gear. Gives me some goals to shoot for.

I didn't mind PvP with the 50s, even the losses gave me opportunities to learn and I was able, with my team, to win a reasonable number of matches.

Even solo games like Skyrim have gear progression. FPS games don't, at least not so much.

Gear progression has been in every MMO I've played, and I try most of them (including LoTR, WoW, AION, Rift, Warhamer, etc.)

Eventually there will be Ranked WZs/Arenas ala WoW (Which I've played since release.) I'd guess that there will be "special" incentives for participating. The only time there were issues in WoW with Glads was between Arena seasons when they'd get bored and start playing regular BGs

At some point SWTOR will probably instantiate something like the PvP seasons in WoW. These were great, the old top-end PvP gear was available to everyone for the equivalent of Valor and if you wanted to participate in the next Arena "Season" you could easily get geared before it started.


Bottom Line for me is I like the differentiation between PvE and PvP gear (including stats) while I do both I usually focus mostly on one at a time. Since, until SWTOR, I've refrained from posting on forums it wouldn't surprise me if a lot of the folks felt the same.

Yeah I know who you were Canuck, some spy who kept loling at every attempt of a kill.

And I go to Uni, have a girlfriend and work a job and still was able to get 50 without putting in over 3 hours of gameplay a day.

Gear makes such a huge difference at 50 that it's laughable. I don't even have the main hand champ blaster, just the offhand, and even in the 50-only bracket I can pretty much kill anyone I want*. The fact that pwnage in PVP is basically an RNG gift from the gods makes me a little sad. I got lucky with bags, but a lot of people don't.


*Except, of course, geared healers who know how to interrupt, and tanks who know how to use cooldowns.

Surely you see the problem if your defense is, "Yeah but if it's two on one then the Battlemaster will lose"?

More often than not it's not two on one. It's at least half a team of Battlemaster level players against a pug of moderately geared to ungeared 50's. Yeah, they could possibly win if they play amazingly well and the Battlemaster team isn't taking it seriously, but the mathematical disadvantage that they have to circumvent is a little ridiculous.

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You know how I know your bad? You dont play in the max lvl bracket.

I have fun queuing solo on my Pyrotech PT at 50 with about 3 pieces of champion gear and 1 piece of centurion(took me a day to get so you can see I was EXTREMELY unlucky). Even when I go against full premades, I have a blast. Stop being bad?

if you're a fresh 50 you probably shouldn't be queueing for rated WZs in the first place.

Give it a week. We'll see renewed threads all explaining why the class that pwned them is FOTM and OP below 50.

We'll see how sub-50 PvP gear is unbalanced and depending on the class you play why it is itemized better for every other class.

Just give it time, you're acting like people have had time to form an opinion, then change it, then flip flop back, then get pissed and forum rave.

I'm not arguing against you. That's why the 50s bracket was created, and most serious pvpers have been clamoring for it for some time. I don't miss having sub 50s in WZs even a little bit. I was simply calling him out for having a ridiculous example such as 6-7 vs 1 battle master and the battlemaster not dying, pointing out that there had to be external influences, and not noticing them as being part of the definition of less skilled pvp.