Never going to ding 50, 1-49 is Skill based.

Btw I have around 400 expertise and that translates to 8.75%. That's all. Those battlemasters that were doing 4x your damage before the change? It wasn't just because of their gear. It was because they had a massive skill AND gear advantage over you. There are battlemasters that put up mediocre numbers as well, but I see you ignore them and point at the top performers who must also just be terrible because they put in the time to get the gear.

1-49 is awesome.

Bolster effectively makes up for any sort of gear difference. Expertise is not in so no crazy OP players. You get the occasional team that can't tell their arse from their head but that happens at 50 too.

This is GREAT. This is why gear progression in PvP is *********** awful and shouldn't exist. It allows things to be skill based rather than gear based. Anyone that thinks MMO's = gear grind are simply deluded from years of themepark garbage with WoW, Rift, Aion etc etc. There's a reason none of those games are considered competitive whereas you have games like EVE or Guild wars that have regularly run tournaments.

It's fun to fudge the math and pretend that 8% isn't a big deal, but that's not how math works. That's plus 8% damage dealt and 8% less damage received for a 16% performance difference against someone with zero Expertise. You're going to tell me that's minor?

Let's round up to 10% for simplicity's sake and pretend that I'm a fresh 50 and that you're a Battlemaster, that we both know our class equally well, and that we both do 1000 dps before factoring in gear. So at +/- 10%, you do 1100 dps to me and I do 900 dps to you. If we both have 12,000 hp, it takes me 13 seconds to kill you and it takes you 11 seconds to kill me. But we don't both have 12,000 hp, you have 16,000 hp because of your Expertise. Now it takes me 17 seconds to kill you and you can still do it in 11. Factor in that you're probably queue-ing with your Battlemaster friends and the problem is compounded.

You want to try and tell me that a fresh 50 needing 50% more time (17 seconds vs 11 seconds) to kill a Battlemaster isn't a big deal? I even fudged the numbers down, someone in full Battlemaster gear would probably be running closer to 15-20% more effectiveness.

I have no idea how people didn't get 50 within a week of playing.

10-49 skill based? Maybe, but there should always be a reward for PvPing.

Check ANY game that has no reward pvp and see how well PvP is doing.

SWG anyone? lol.

It's fun to fudge the math and pretend that 8% isn't a big deal, but that's not how math works. That's plus 8% damage dealt and 8% less damage received for a 16% performance difference against someone with zero Expertise. You're going to tell me that's minor?

Let's round up to 10% for simplicity's sake and pretend that I'm a fresh 50 and that you're a Battlemaster, that we both know our class equally well, and that we both do 1000 dps before factoring in gear. So at +/- 10%, you do 1100 dps to me and I do 900 dps to you. If we both have 12,000 hp, it takes me 13 seconds to kill you and it takes you 11 seconds to kill me. But we don't both have 12,000 hp, you have 16,000 hp because of your Expertise. Now it takes me 17 seconds to kill you and you can still do it in 11. Factor in that you're probably queue-ing with your Battlemaster friends and the problem is compounded.

You want to try and tell me that a fresh 50 needing 50% more time (17 seconds vs 11 seconds) to kill a Battlemaster isn't a big deal? I even fudged the numbers down, someone in full Battlemaster gear would probably be running closer to 15-20% more effectiveness.