Never going to ding 50, 1-49 is Skill based.

that's NOT because it doesn't have a gear system! it's just because it's a BAD game..

Stop being Black and White with no grey area.

League of Legends is an AMAZING game, and would STILL be an amazing game even without the Rune system.


Take away the Rune system and LoL would still be amazing. and only ranked players care about that anyway.. it's for the serious customizer.. playing at level 1 in LoL is a blast.

i think you are mistaking me as the original poster, i did not ever say anything about skill, and i will readily admit that i pretty much suck at pvp.

i just said it feels good to finally feel useful in pvp. as opposed to before where i was always quickly one shot,.


and yes. i do enjoy being the big fish in the small pond for the time being

You should have welcome trammiel. Instead of having easy unwilling non consensual target, they all left, and you were left with people which the skill , willingness and were able to challenge you ! I mean as a PVPer this is what you wish right ? Challenge !

I mean I keep getting told pvp is about skill yada yada. Why is that every time pvper keep harking back to the day where pvp was non-consensual and player killer were people disturbing the play of others, so much that the dev introduced trammiel ?

Fancy that.... I think I have an explanation. Lack of easy kills maybe ?

Just get your pvp gear and all things are equal again, as in those with skill roll the keyboard turners. There is nothing wrong with pvp gear, yeah your first week at 50 might be unbalanced but it's the "rite of passage". Get your gear and rofl stomp....

Actually level 50 pvp is more balanced then 10-49. A 49 will slaughter sub 30 players easy... So your mistaken or just overly excited about not being griefed anymore.

This thread is about PVP gear having an impact on PVP... you totally missed the point.

I too have a prob with Expertise, but I do realize the need of an incentive to force people into PVPing

If right now there is no reward for PVP beside fluff items, the PVP population would drop off.

could not agree more with the OP. Well said!!

Loling about "under 50 is all about skill". Most under 50 are now casuals who know nothing of PvP. I saw them a lot. They're terrible. Mouse clicking isn't the worst you may expect from them...

Lol. Same qq every mmo. I'm not gonna deny that the 50s needed to be taken away from lowbies brackets, but those people who think that players will gear are skill-less, and that not having to face them now and doing well means that they are in fact, elite pvpers, are kidding themselves. To get to the top tier of "competitive" pvp, you still have to generally be a top pvper, there's plenty of people who can put in the time to get the best "free" gear as it were, so what do you think separates the top tier from all these skill-less noobs as you keep claiming. If you were really among the best, it wouldn't matter to you that people were in battlemaster, because in a few short weeks you'd have their same gear, and according to you, be dominating them right back anyway. I'm in a mix of champion and centurion myself that took just over a week of 1-2 hours a day playing to accumulate, and yes seeing a Battlemaster title makes me play against a player differently, but it by no means makes me unable to compete with them. I've beaten 4 battlemaster premades, and I've lost to 4 battlemaster premades. It is never a foregone conclusion.

The top level of pvp will forever involve the top tier of gear, and if you're too scared to try and compete with that, and prefer to hide in the lower levels, that's your perogative. But it by no means takes away from the accomplishments of the top tier pvpers just because they've pushed through the progressions brought about by the mmo. WoW made it extremely easy to get competitive PvP gear, and I'd guess that you didn't break through into that top tier either and found twinking to be more of a test of "true skill" =P I'm not sure what the removal of 50s proves exactly. Is the game much more fun for both 50s and sub 50s alike now? Yes. Is it because 50s with pvp gear all suck at pvp? I'm not even sure how you came to that conclusion.

You know what on top of the whole gear thing is going on here right? The vast majority of players who put in the time and effort to be good at mmo pvp have already hit 50 and entered that grind. That's not to say no one that's not 50 is good, but I would hazard to guess that at least 80% of "serious/skilled" pvpers are already 50 one month after release. Now that they're all gone the skill pool is sub 50 is much much diluted. If you feel more comfortable in the pool of largely more casual players and consider your exploits down there as skill then, well I wish you luck and happiness. If you find the secret cache of elite pvpers that vow to never hit 50 for you to compete against more power to you.

Remember the patch that gave us Trammel didn't just give us the new world of Trammel, it had major devastating changes to Combat which most of the "Duelers" didn't like.

I had no problem with there being a Trammel zone, actually TRAMMEL made things pretty fun b/c you could go into that "world" and make fun of the Role players.. I enjoyed that.

The straw that broke the camels back was when the Devs started listening to the Trammel community about the rest of the game.

Gear is a crutch for bads. Always has been always will be.