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aklsdbh
01.19.2012 , 12:35 PM | #1041
Quote: Originally Posted by Monodominant View Post
You are going to laugh at them because you got a title and paid for 6-7 months for it in a Work In Progress game (ie 90 to 105 USD) while the rest of us did not and will still get a more fixed, balanced and stable game?

Well sir then YOU deserve congratulations. In the game of life you Win!

By the way, I have a nice piece of coal to sell you for just 99.99 USD... if you buy it now before everyone else in a couple of million years it will be a diamond... but if you buy it first... well... er... you get a title.

PS>

There was no "free month" with this game. It actually cost 50 or so euro... nobody gave us a -free- month. We paid for the game and the right to play it albeit only for 30 days.
to be fair if everyone quit playing it wouldn't be a "work in progress" game...it would cease to be...that is why I like the founder title...it means I put in time work and money...when others didn't for the R&D that makes it possible for you to play the game...say.....two years down the road.

Someone always has to pay for the R&D...and here, today, that is me and the others who choose to stay the course.

this is of course my opinion...

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Ketchum
01.19.2012 , 12:39 PM | #1042
Yaaay, I'm a Founder!
Murder and mayhem await

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Alrath
01.19.2012 , 12:39 PM | #1043
I like the idea....however it probably won't apply to me. I've been unable to play for most of my "free" time due to issues that many others are experiencing. I have a game card, received as a christmas gift, that I'm waiting to activate till I'm sure that I'll be able to even play the game. Odds are from the progress made so far that willl not be before March 19th.
Save me Bioware, you're my only hope D:!

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Kozzmozz
01.19.2012 , 12:41 PM | #1044
I am a founder! so will eagerly awaits my title! thanks bioware!

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Malist
01.19.2012 , 12:42 PM | #1045
Quote: Originally Posted by aklsdbh View Post
to be fair if everyone quit playing it wouldn't be a "work in progress" game...it would cease to be...that is why I like the founder title...it means I put in time work and money...when others didn't for the R&D that makes it possible for you to play the game...say.....two years down the road.

Someone always has to pay for the R&D...and here, today, that is me and the others who choose to stay the course.

this is of course my opinion...
No one's going to stick around that long when they do things like release a major patch that doesn't include a semi-customizable UI or the ****** graphics option available to users that they advertised the game in.

I'm sick of all the brown nosing too, "Do you know how bad WoW was when it first came out!?" This is 2012, shut up, my expectations are higher and yours should be too.
The Darkforge Legacy - Ebon Hawk

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Luckmann
01.19.2012 , 12:45 PM | #1046
I think things like these are horrible. It creates the haves and the have-nots based on out-of-game circumstances.

You may argue that it is a fairly minor thing. And it is. It really is. But that's not the point. The point is that it alienates those that come later. No matter what they do, they will never be able to have that title. The will never be able to collect all titles, because there are titles that they cannot have by any means whatsoever.

Making it hard to gain something in-game is one thing.
Making it impossible to gain something is another.

WoW did the same thing and all these small things taken together was inevitably what forced me to quit. In-game events that had transpired at one point or another which I missed, giveaways on real-life events I couldn't possibly have attended.

If I wanted to collect something, it was impossible to excel at it. It was impossible to collect all the recipes as a crafter. It was impossible to collect all the pets. It was impossible to collect all the mounts. No matter what, it was physically impossible to aspire to be the best of any one thing in the entire game, due to things beyond my own control.

I remember WAR doing the exact same thing from the get-go - All Beta-testers got a unique Title. A Title I could never gain no matter what I did. No matter what, I would never be able to collect all the titles of the game. From square one, there's no way for me to "win" the Title "game".

The fact that SWTOR takes this direction so early is disheartening to say the least.

I'll be getting this title just fine. It is the system I have a problem with.

To me, the end result isn't rewarding the ones that gets it. It's punishing all those that don't.
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Trisskar
01.19.2012 , 12:47 PM | #1047
Quote: Originally Posted by aklsdbh View Post
to be fair if everyone quit playing it wouldn't be a "work in progress" game...it would cease to be...that is why I like the founder title...it means I put in time work and money...when others didn't for the R&D that makes it possible for you to play the game...say.....two years down the road.

Someone always has to pay for the R&D...and here, today, that is me and the others who choose to stay the course.

this is of course my opinion...
+1 exactly so. People keep forgetting this game is NEW it is we, the founders, who have stuck through it. Delt with the insanity of bugs, errors and surprises in order to make the future of this game more playable for others down the road.
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Qouivandes
01.19.2012 , 12:50 PM | #1048
Quote: Originally Posted by Jimer_Lins View Post
I've been playing multiplayer games since the 1970's. Nothing ever works right the first time they patch it- except in the rare and happy case. It's always the same, too. I've seen the complaints bandied about today on the forum for every MMO I ever played. I've seen it on the mailing lists for MUDs and MUSH games. I've seen it on the snail-mail digest of play-by-mail games. I've heard people say it verbally in my physical presence about a game we played which didn't have any player-to-player communication because it was 1979.

New content breaks things. Developers will always be accused of not listening. Game design staff will always be told they should fix bugs before releasing new content, but at the same time will be told they're idiots for delaying new content.

Some users will never be happy. They cannot be pleased; it is an impossibility to do so. A good game company will simply listen to them, nod their heads and smile, and carry on.

Now, the rest of us who understand that stuff happens will chuckle, pick up the mouse and adapt to the circumstances and play for as long as the game continues to deliver entertaiment commensurate with its price.
this has my nod of approval

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Tierce
01.19.2012 , 12:50 PM | #1049
Since my own thread was closed and I was directed here:

"Founder" feature Reaks of Weakness, Greed, and is just plain Lame

I'm going to preface this by saying that my subscription is already setup, I'm not canceling it nor do I have plans to cancel it.

With the game only being a month old, considering the plethora of complaints and claims of cancellation that have been steadily increasing leading up to and with the 1.1 release yesterday, enough to garner newsworthy attention. With most players non-subscribed 30 days just ending. With your emergency patching and weekly inconsistency with maintenance and patching. Bringing the website up today with the top feature being, "Pay us and get some novelty crap," is not only lame, but projects Weakness and Greed for Bioware/EA. Not only are people laughing their face off at this, but it's putting a bad taste in people's mouth and confirming to many the negative impressions they have held or considered.

I want to think that some marketing bimbo thought this up. I know they probably thought this was a nice gesture, but the message it sends is that you need to give people something extra so they subscribe. The game itself isn't good enough. The timing of the feature sends a message of greed and even retribution for people who have voiced complaints. Like you are trying to entice them into subscribing anyway with little trinkets, and punish those who try to prove their point with their wallets.

I see a lot of good communication from developers of this game. Statements conveying confidence that plans are in place, you know what you are doing, you are working on improvements that show you are listening to the customer. I think I have always felt good about this game after reading most of the official statements from every BW poster but Stephen Reid (sorry man, you're just bad at this). Those statements just need to be more timely and more frequent (remember we're in the information age). If BW will just focus on fixing things that are broken and keeping everybody in the loop about it with a tone of confidence, this game can be great.

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Danrick
01.19.2012 , 12:54 PM | #1050
Why would I re-sub (my already cancelled sub) when I cannot play the game at the moment because of the patch/launcher problems that are already well documented.

This is a very very poor time to annouce this when thousands cannot play, and your trying to incentivise us to pay you?