[POLL] Do you think a Rollback is necessary?

I play Republic and I'm not sure.

It would be a suitably stern warning for people mass abusing faults in the mechanics should any arise in the future. But it would also make a lot of Imperial players unhappy and likely unsub too (which would be a bad thing since apparently they're like 90% of the game's population, understandably to an extent as well.)

They could just strip expertise off the gear (and adjust the stat allocation points where required to be in line with equivalent level pve gear of course) and the main problem caused by this would be non-existent.

As for the fact that the unfortunate exploitation of this mechanical glitch resulting in rendering the valour grind meaningless for those who did most of it pre-patch 1.1...well, yes that is a much more pressing concern, one to which I'm not certain there is an answer for.

Except a roll back, but of course as mentioned above that could have as many negative as positive consequences. Although of course most of that grinding was done against a constant stream of low level enemies...but that is besides the point.

It is indeed quite the conundrum. I don't envy Bioware for having to solve it.

Big deal! Soon a new tier pvp rank to reach and it will take you 6 months. How did this 40-51 ruined your or others experience on SWTOR ?

Neutral stars!
I only finished my daily yesterday (which consisted of killing 19 players, and collecting 11 boxes) and logged off to play my lowbie alt for the rest of the night. I didn't exploit or take advantage of the valor system, nor did I grief the repubs on my server. I don't care if there's a valor rollback, so feel free to count my vote however way you wish to count it.

***** bs

yes

Forgot to rate my 5 stars of failure.

This is just stupid. The people that pvp around the clock because they have no lives, got to 50 first so they could get good gear by farming valor on level 10's and up are whining about a supposed exploitation. This is rich.

Look, it's already been said about a billion times. Only the individuals on smaller pop servers got effected by this. On my sever last night there were just as many republic players in illum as there was empire and that means,

They were farming valor too. There was a lot of people on both sides engaged in a huge battle where no one really got the upper hand. You had 50 + republic all camping their turret at the republic base with the empire on the other side.

In fact when we did push into the base finally the valor went down the closer you got to the turret.

Fact is this, just cause you got to 50 first, farmed valor doesn't make you a better pvp player then those that are getting there now. It just means you have more time on your hands..

No roll back is needed, just proof people who complain will always find something to complain about. When they are done whining about this, they will just move on to things like, "nerf said class, it's too over powered"

Old school pvp'rs know one thing, no matter how much gear you have, when you got it, who got it first, or how much valor you have, true skill will always come down to the player at the keyboard...

Anyone who ever played true pvp back on eq 1, sullon zek will attest to that. Now a days all we got are ex carebare wow players who thought that crappy pvp system was great in a crappy game to begin with.

It's like this folks, Any pvp that occured after EQ 1 sullon zek server - in any game created after it has been a complete joke..

Pvp will always come down to the player at the keyboard no matter what gear - valor, items, etc you have...

If you don't know how to play a game just to have fun don't let the door hit you in the *** on your way out...

Enough said. = ).

So far no one has provided any evidence that any sort of crazy valor gains were made.

This thread is littered with exaggeration. The gains from spawn camping are not a problem. Here is a play by play of what happened.

1) Lower pop faction logged into SWTOR after patch and headed off to open world PvP zone.
2) Lower pop faction got destroyed by opposite faction camping their spawn location.
3) Lower pop faction got pissed and a group decided to make up a story about how turrets were giving a ton of valor to make it look like higher pop faction was cheating.
4) Gullible forum goers believed the story, reposted it, IGN posted a story which they later updated and changed because dur dee dur, they didn't know what they were talking about either but it is a PERFECT EXAMPLE OF HOW EASY MISINFORMATION CAN SPREAD.
5) Story changes. Now the turrets, which instantly respawned and gave 2k valor per kill are not the main concern, its the amount of valor you got from killing one person.


Honestly, if people were getting 2k valor from turrets that instantly respawned, I'd see why you'd cry for a rollback, but that just isn't the case. When this story was first released it was a big deal. Not anymore though. The numbers you could have gained from spawn camping with diminishing returns even if you were getting 400% the valor points is not 120 points per kill, nor could people have been repopping fast enough for you to be getting 1000k per minute.

You are upset because you got spawn camped and rightfully so. Bioware recognized that and is even mentioned something along the lines of punishing people who abused it the most.

There were no crazy valor gains though, nothing game breaking that would warrant a reroll, but since a lot of people were on the "Players are gaining 10k valor a minute killing turrets" I get that it is hard to just... let that mistake go and move on, but really, you're going to have to, because the 1-49 players who were enjoying Warzones without level 50's for a change don't need to be punished for this gross exaggeration.

The problem people are having is: A bug existed that caused the empire players to be able to aoe the med center (respawn) and immediately kill all the republic players who spawned. From what I gather it was instant respawn too, there wasn't much anyone could do aside from logging off. But people are stubborn and let it happen resulting in piles of empire players gaining enormous amounts of valor unfairly.

So anyone who bothered grinding (though with mixed levels and the overwhelming advantage expertise gave, I cant imagine it was a painful grind, 3 shotting everyone) Battlemaster in the last month basically wasted their time.

Additionally people are pissed at the lack of communication and concern from the Devs. They are also annoyed that a bug this massive was never caught, in addition to weird loading screens, terrible FPS, icon cooldown indicators being screwed up... take your pick.

Being unhappy with a product you pay for is your right. It is up to the provider to get their crap together and fix the mess.

Have you read any of the 5000+ plus other posts about this, do you seriously not now what all the uproar is about?

If you seriously dont know the full details, best to go and read up on them before being abusive towards people who are highlighting this pretty serious issue.