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This game badly needs mods and macros.


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ferroz
01.17.2012 , 11:10 AM | #571
Quote: Originally Posted by DaxRendar View Post
And one person's "nice to have" is another person's "gamebreaking" - check out the Recount threads if you don't believe me
Yes there are always delusional people who think that it breaks the game when it doesn't

If it truly does break the game, you should be able to come up with reasons. Anti-recount threads are fill with people who have brilliant counter arguments like "NO NO NO NO NO" and "Using a Bioware developed damage meter is cheating because it wasn't there when the game was released" or "I'm so leet that I don't need them" or "I'd quit if they added them" ... I've yet to see a real, valid argument against them.


Regardless, the current UI has some serious usability issues... and just one quick example of many: that includes some strictly factual usability problems for colorblind people. There's some serious work that needs to happen there, and the reality is that BW cannot meet everyone's needs nearly as well as an open source community can.


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If not being able to re-skin the UI is "game breaking" to you then cancel your sub if they don't put it in.
I'd say it's best to keep hounding BW for ways of fixing it.

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If not having cast-sequence macros or mouseover healing are "game breaking" to you then cancel your sub.
I'd say it's best to keep hounding BW for ways of fixing it.

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If the Game Client uses a compiled UI that is tightly integrated to the Messaging API (which someone else earlier in the thread said might be the case)
Then they need to fire thier development staff, particularly the guy who came up with that design. Seriously, that's an intern developer level design flaw.

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You can be upset, throw a tantrum, rage, quit - it won't change the fact that BioWare needs to prioritize Features and Enhancements based on the Costs and Benefits to them to put them in (and player enjoyment is a part of that calculation).
Posting onthe forums helps them correctly prioritize the features that we want, so they understand who benefits; it also helps them weed out bad enhancements that don't actually meet our needs. So the correct response is to continue posting our problems on the forums, even if you personally are obviously tired of reading them.

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dargor-
01.17.2012 , 11:49 PM | #572
Quote: Originally Posted by Creslan
And PVP hardcores are second class citizens. You're like the guest that won't leave and can't take a hint your not wanted so you just hang around making it miserable for everyone else at the party.
Indeed.

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dashspeed
01.17.2012 , 11:53 PM | #573
No it doesn't.

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ZeeDak
01.18.2012 , 11:54 AM | #574
A game shouldn't be made difficult because of how a UI functions. For instance clicking on a party members portrait and then using a move to heal them and not being able to see properly when that move is off cool down or in having difficulty on clicking on them in the first place. Addons help overcome these silly issues and help get back to what's important and fun about the game, which is in the challenge of the fight. Moving to the right place at the right time, using the right moves at the right time. In learning the dance that is MMO raiding. This is wear the challenge lies not in people ability to overcome a UI. Addons allow better control of your character and help to understand what is going on in the game. You can not fault someone for wanting better controls because that is not meant to be the challenge. So please for the love of god allow addons.

P.S. Addons do allow the developers to make harder and more creative encounters

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Redcorn
01.18.2012 , 11:57 AM | #575
More customizable UI...yes.

More game tools in UI...yes.

Macros...no

Outside plugins....no


Keep the playing field even.

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Sendrel
01.18.2012 , 12:06 PM | #576
Quote: Originally Posted by Redcorn View Post
Keep the playing field even.
Better ban Vent/Mumble, Razer/Logi hardware, other hardware differences that impact FPS and lag then too.

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TheNdoki
01.18.2012 , 09:06 PM | #577
Quote: Originally Posted by Redcorn View Post
More customizable UI...yes.

More game tools in UI...yes.

Macros...no

Outside plugins....no


Keep the playing field even.
Ignoring the fact that having a custom UI could be considered 'uneven'... how would the playing field not be even when anyone can download said outside plugins?

Pretty sure addons that anyone can download and use is the definition of fair and even.

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Kophar
01.19.2012 , 05:06 AM | #578
I understand why people are afraid of an MMO installing macros. I know that it might lead to several exploits in a game to bots and make the content of the game itself more easier in the end content.
These reasons are in fact true but bare with me for a moment. Macros/addons arent all bad and it all comes down to the devs of the MMO.
Its all about how the API code is done and what it will allows it to do. I read references to WoW and Rift.
WoW went a bit too far in what they could do or couldnt do but it also had very usefull addons that complemented the mechanic of the game itself that blizz wasnt giving us or it gave us 3-5 years after.
I reckon that BW allready stated that they would provide us with all those basic addons that atm in an MMO community basically we cant live without, for example recounts, grids/healbot, threatmeters or even just a way to change our UI.
If BW can deliver us that in a near future, lets say 1 month, than im fine with it and i wnt be needing customized addons but if they take 6 months-1 year more to deliver these basic addons cause they have way too more important things to fix, then i believe its time to BW let their community develop their own addons with a strict API code.
Addons are an integral part of an MMO community these days because it adds more to the community of the game, it brings something extra to it where devs are way too busy making something else or not even aware that function was lacking in a game.
I honestly believe that giving the community more envolvement on an MMO is allways a must and the mere possibility of making the game more unique on your own computer is allways imho a plus, whatever the game it is.
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Manchuwook
01.19.2012 , 02:34 PM | #579
I'm assuming that they wrote the game in C++ (kind of a gold standard, I s'pose) - I'll throw this into the mix:

http://code.google.com/apis/v8/embed.html

So if they have any object classes that they want to expose, it shouldn't take much code to open it for an API. Sadly in the development world - the most painful part of coding isn't the architecting or the actual coding... it's the documentation that hurts. :P
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quaesitor
01.19.2012 , 03:35 PM | #580
The UI is terrible.

The raid frames is terrible.

Healing groups and raids is way more frustrating than it should be, considering that healing is already a thankless task.

Stop being terrible. Either improve the UI or get the hell out of the way and let somebody else do it. There are thousands of competent programmers out in the community that will make good mods if you let them.

Then, you can take the cream the crop and integrate them into the game as features, like WoW does.

It's a formula for success.

Stop being terrible. /end