Operatives: Most broken garbage balance ever.

I have no problems killing ops. Just learn to play your path they die easy enough..then again i guess i do have heals lmao. CC and stun abilitys are always your best friend when fighting them. The person getting 4 on 1 well its just destiny for you to lose i suppose...But yeah pvp isn't even close to being fair in these matches. Cause of gear and skills they should do away with it all together and make them run around planets to get their medals killing people that way i'm sure your entire nation will be their to help you if you bring them down cause it would be making your pvp gear much harder to get and you would see very few people in it.
To late to do this now anyway cause most would just camp the quest area's.

Rofl, every post you make is so biaised, it's hilarious.

I completely roflstomp operative if i get the opener on them, this doesen"t mean they are balanced.

OPness has nothing to do with being unkillable, or 1v1, or whatever you try to argue.

The problem is actually taking 70% hp of a target while it can do nothing to prevent it. It's totally retarded, takes absolutely no skill and needs to go.

The problem is it's only survivable if you have every tool in the kit available at the time and that's just for my particular class and build. The chances of having every cooldown up is very slim the warzone environment. I have to blow my wad so to speak just to have the chance at coming out on top.

Don't get me wrong. It's good they're addressing the consumables issue first and creating the 50 only bracket before they go changing classes, but that doesn't mean there's not a possible issue of balancing to work out still. It's definitely worth looking into after we finally get this next patch.


Read above. What I have to do to survive is under perfect conditions and in no way is sustainable.

Make sure sheild is up shock stun them for 6 secs then if they even try to use their main ability simple enough since it has a long enough cast time wait for it to get half way then diable it with your abilty stop. By the time it comes up again rinse and repeat don't forget your slows incase they try to run away healers cause your gonna need it they always run unless the dots kill them :P Only good OP is a dead one. And if your a Sorc crying you should just reroll cause you can't play since you died to a OP....

I need to take more screenshots. Had a match the other day where I (as a level 40 focus-spec guardian) sat on a level 50 ops (w/ biochem stims) every time I saw him, and held him to 0 (that's right, zero) kills. Between Taunt, Guard, and my cc, he never got enough snap damage to kill. And the couple of times he tried to open on me, I was fine... either I cc broke and blew him up, or I just sat in it and got heals because I explained to my team before the round started that I'd be pvp tanking, and after you save a healer's life a time or two they tend to start looking for your health bar.

Honestly I felt pretty bad for the guy... ops have only one trick, and guardian just wrecks it if the guardian is actually paying attention.

Yeah as a 50 sorc, I've had Ops and their republic counterparts knock me down and slaughter me before I can stand up. If we're questioning something being out of balance, there's no question. A mechanic of a class in PvP that allows for killing someone outright with nothing that player can do to survive is not balanced. There's all these lovely arguements, "oh break cc" or "only if he gets the jump on you" but that's a vassal argument woodhouse, stealth by its very nature is sneaky, and if you can't see the unstoppable killing machine coming, how exactly do you prevent it? Also, considering there is no diminishing return on stuns or cc, and everyone has 1 cc break with a fairly long cooldown (when considered to the amount of ways you can be cc'd) it's not really a valid option. You broke the knock down cc, but that's okay, they've got 2 or 3 other stuns they can hit you with.

So yeah, thread starter guy is right, this needs a fixin', no, you defenders of the operative/smuggler you're not right, go to your room.

I agree. However, I believe that the trouble is the way they can stack buffs right now, rather than the class itself.....and that is being addressed in the next patch.

Also, I think this thread is full of liars. I find it very hard to believe that I can survive an opener from a level 50 scoundrel as a healer in my 30s.....but the OP is a 50 in PvP gear who can't figure out how to get out of the starting gate? Come the **** on. OP is either a huge liar or a terrible player. In either case, the problem is not the class he was confronted with.

What an OP has to do to kill someone before they can "fight back" is under perfect conditions: Have expertise buff, adrenal buff, stims, and on top of that, have everything crit. Most of the time this happens against undergeared or lower level players. Against someone of equal gear/skill, you will only get someone below 50% in 1 stun probably less than 20% of the time. If the OP doesn't get you below 50% in his opener chances are hes going to lose 1v1. I don't see how someone can see this as unbalanced.

Yea they are being shadowed by the god mode of Operative atm.

If you read the entire post I said it's good they're addressing the buff stacking and a 50 bracket before they go changing the class and we will have to wait to see what the results are.

That being said, I'm surprised you don't even consider that to be unbalanced because if it wasn't then it wouldn't be getting changed in the first place. The current state is definitely not WAI.