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Scoundrels/Operatives ridculously OP.

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Scoundrels/Operatives ridculously OP.

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Chaos_Distortion
01.17.2012 , 01:02 AM | #1071
Quote: Originally Posted by staysa View Post
I used to agree. Then I killed a 50 mercenary as a lvl19 mercenary in huttball. People really are just that bad.
MMO players usually are, too much terrible players in MMOs.
Empathetic (Chaos Legacy): 50 Scoundrel (Sawbones) Healer, Empathetic: 50 Sage (Seer) Healer on Helm of Graush and various other Alts.
Been playing pvp Support/Healing in nearly every MMO since 1997 UO.

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staysa
01.17.2012 , 01:03 AM | #1072
Quote: Originally Posted by Wynn View Post
You have I point I can kill level 50s on my 28 baby BH but that's not the class, player skill means a lot in pvp
No argument, just pointing out that people can be so inept that their "shenanigans" are actually truth, of a sort.

Its like saying you once murdered 10 people with just a pocket knife in 5 minutes but neglecting to mention you went to a retirement home to do it.

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staysa
01.17.2012 , 01:07 AM | #1073
Quote: Originally Posted by UnimatrixSteel View Post
All I notice, is you operatives trying to counter what everyone else, including me, is saying is a fact. Yes, I can see what class you are by your post history. Operative.

Not only that, every thread that says Op is OP, is countered by the same people. Not surprising.
Or it must be that you people suck.

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Grimyd
01.17.2012 , 01:10 AM | #1074
Quote: Originally Posted by TheeWasp View Post
actually you can break their knockdown, but direcly after you press your 2 min cd ccbreak they use their next cc, debilitate/dirty kick and they still kill you. but hea thats alos a cd ability, 45 sec cd.
Right because the knockdown doesn't turn your resolve bar full white making you completely immune to cc until it empties........... Oh wait.

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UnimatrixSteel
01.17.2012 , 01:10 AM | #1075
Quote: Originally Posted by staysa View Post
Or it must be that you people suck.
Thanks for proving my point.

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AndiusTheGreat
01.17.2012 , 02:53 AM | #1076
Quote: Originally Posted by KraithFjorn View Post
If getting facerolled + triple shanked to <30% health by operatives was a once-in-a-blue-moon ordeal, I might accept that, even though it never happens in a 1v1 with any other class.

Of course, it's not a once in a blue moon ordeal, and I find it hard to believe that every concealment operative out there just happens to be a skilled PvPer, while all those other players who chose other classes just, for some weird reason, aren't as good.
I don't think everyone who chooses OP/Scoundrel is great, but most of the people who stick with them all the way to 50 are. They have a hard learning curve. You level up the first 10 levels as a character that uses cover and ranged attacks and as soon as you get used to that playstyle your cover is useless and you are primarily a melee class.

You then learn that all your greatest melee skills rely on conditions like upper hand or being behind your targets. Oh and you still need to know your 10m and 30m abilities and know how to properly mix them into combat because the ones that don't require cover are still useful. You simply cannot reach your full potential if you forget your flash and thermal grenades, quick shot, or vital shot.

The scoundrel when played as DPS is honestly the most difficult AC in the game to play IMO. The ability to slaughter glass cannons almost instantly IF you get crits doesn't change that.

And as soon as biochem gets nerfed that won't even be such a huge concern anymore.
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carbocat
01.17.2012 , 03:00 AM | #1077
Quote: Originally Posted by Bandelederen View Post
So me and another level 50 runs op to cap this point in the Alderaan warzone. Out of nowhere this scoundrel opens up and obliterates the other lvl 50 before I can even react. He then vanishes and opens up on me with a stun.

At this point im thinking surely he cannot do the same thing to me, he just did to the other guy 8 seconds ago. Boy was I wrong.

STUN
4.7k
3.8k
3.0k
STUN OVER

At this point I have about 10% of my hp left and the fight is over. He just creamed the both of us in less than 20 seconds and hes still got 90% hp left.


And tbh this is not the only time I've witnessed these scenarios with scoundrels completely destroying people in a single stun. This needs to be addressed immediatly.

STUN
4.7k
3.8k
3.0k
STUN OVER

how can that be possible? knock down is 3 sec stun, 1GCD is 1.5 sec, that will say 2 attacks in 3 sec knock down.

Nice try, try again

Today i open op in a sorc, didnt even break his bubble in a knock down, ye we are very OP!! didnt use any stims/buff etc.

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lethal_ghost
01.17.2012 , 03:08 AM | #1078
Quote: Originally Posted by carbocat View Post
STUN
4.7k
3.8k
3.0k
STUN OVER

how can that be possible? knock down is 3 sec stun, 1GCD is 1.5 sec, that will say 2 attacks in 3 sec knock down.

Nice try, try again

Today i open op in a sorc, didnt even break his bubble in a knock down, ye we are very OP!! didnt use any stims/buff etc.
1st hit is the knock down starting the 3 second knockdown then they could get the next 2 attacks in and I think these attacks can cause dots as well with acid blades

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TheeWasp
01.17.2012 , 09:35 AM | #1079
Quote: Originally Posted by Grimyd View Post
Right because the knockdown doesn't turn your resolve bar full white making you completely immune to cc until it empties........... Oh wait.
ooh so then you have to use cloaking screen and stay cloaked for 8 sec? but right, Im supposed to break cc (1 gcd) and dot you (another gcd) before you can use cloaking screen, wich happens to also be 2 min cd, just like my break cc so it will be ready next time my break cc is ready.

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AndiusTheGreat
01.17.2012 , 11:50 AM | #1080
Quote: Originally Posted by TheeWasp View Post
ooh so then you have to use cloaking screen and stay cloaked for 8 sec? but right, Im supposed to break cc (1 gcd) and dot you (another gcd) before you can use cloaking screen, wich happens to also be 2 min cd, just like my break cc so it will be ready next time my break cc is ready.
Sure. You can use your cloaking screen / vanish to get in another back hit on someone. They are going to know you are there making it easy for them to knock you out of stealth with an AoE or detect, and only a complete fool is going to sit there with their back open long enough to make a 2nd hit very easy to pull off. You are also going to be screwed if you actually need your cloak to get out of a sticky situation given our class has no survivability. But you can do it...

I really would like to see some of the people criticizing our class so much play it. I think most of them would get eaten for breakfast.
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