Operatives: Most broken garbage balance ever.

23 pages, hahahahahahahaha. Makes me so happy I am an Operative. You guys are hilarious

Wait!! I just made it 24 pages

Im a 50 operative and while I do get a few solo kills in I cant compete with, consulors, inqs, juggs, troopers and mercs equally geared. Im squishy compared to the rest I timed how long I stay alive with cs and esc on cooldown and its around 20 secs. While we do have good burst from stealth we die quickly after so I see it as a trade off, the amount of cc in this game is just insane, imo ill trade some damage for some survivability. Hope the knockdown stays, without it the class is garbage.

You missed the point. I was significantly undergeared by comparison. I was not out, alone, hanging by my lonesome and not paying attention. I was around other players, and ensured THROUGH MY OWN ACTIONS AND NOT A NERF CRY TO THE DEVS, that the Operative was UNSUCCESSFUL and ended up dead.

See, you want to be "Billy Bad @-ss". You want to be all muscle and no brain...and that's why you're crying on a forum, because your approach doesn't work.

"BREAK CC!!! SHIELD/SPRINT/KNOCKBACK/SMOKE BOMB/EVADE!! RUN and KITE!"[/QUOTE]
You do realize that CC breaker is on a 2 min cooldown for most classes right? In that massive *** stun that operatives have if you cannot CC break they can get you down to 10-20% health just while in the stun.

Oh I'm sorry, is my current lvl 50 Commando not good enough? Were my 50s (Gunslinger, Merc, and Juggernaut) in beta not good enough?

****. You're a crybaby and you don't know what you're talking about.

That's partly due to another issue, namely that defensive stats do **** all in PvP.

Your Defense and Shielding/Absorption stats only work against attacks that do weapon damage, not Force/Tech.

Operatives/Scoundrels do mostly Kinetic damage with their poking abilities, which can't defended or shielded against.

Add a 50% armor ignore debuff and tanks are generally worse off against Operatives/Scoundrels than anyone else because their conventional defenses don't work.

The best defensive abilities in PvP are damage shields like the Sage/Sorcerer bubble and hard mitigation abilities (those that reduce incoming damage by xx%).

On topic:

As a Shadow tank and Operative healer myself I'd wait to see what the stacking consumables fix will do first. Heck, I'd advocate getting rid of the PvP damage buffs altogether - the last thing PvP needs is more burst. If that's not enough I'd say the next step is start making more attacks (for most classes mind, not just Operatives/Scoundrels) respect defensive stats and take a hard look at the armor ignore percentages.

It's likely that there need not be any significant changes to the classes in question, most likely it's a number of different issues stacking to exacerbate the situation.

I had gripes with operatives too until i hit the level cap and got some gear, I'd hope that bioware would never address issues largely presented by people not even playing the game at its most balanced state

An OP without his stun breaker will get owned just as bad by any other class if he gets stunned without cooldowns so this argument is pointless.

I one time, at Band Camp on Hoth, saw a Wampa One hit a Sage!!

You do realize that CC breaker is on a 2 min cooldown for most classes right? In that massive *** stun that operatives have if you cannot CC break they can get you down to 10-20% health just while in the stun.[/QUOTE]

So what you're telling me is that PvP = you undergeared, locked in a phone booth with a level 50 fully geared Operative while you're just...well...you?


How about this. How about at the end of the match you divide that Operative's damage by the number of kills. See what the average damage on target is. Then do it for yourself. I'm willing to bet you come out with a higher Time On Target (more damage per target).