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Patch 1.1: PvP failure

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Patch 1.1: PvP failure

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Quinlynn
01.17.2012 , 08:46 AM | #171
Quote: Originally Posted by daiominai View Post
level 50 only brackets = 30 minutes to an hour wait time between warzones.

When people complain about level 50's in the warzone, they don't fully understand what they're complaining about.

1: You're getting owned because of focus fire, opposition healing each other, and all around just better players than you are.

2: You're getting owned because the opposition is better organized than you.



I'm a decently good pvp player, I understand kiting, strafing, proper manipulation of stuns, knock-backs and the various game mechanics as a whole. As a level 50 heal spec mercenary with a few 50 pvp gear pieces I am still able to be killed (quite fast in a lot cases) by lower level players if they take the time to focus fire me. Most of the time my level 15 assassin feels like it has more survive-ability than my level 50 wearing heavy armor with healing abilities.

Level 50's do have an advantage over lower level players but it is hardly as game breaking as people think. Most of that advantage comes from experience and familiarity of their characters. I will be very happy to continue to play my lower level characters against level 50's any day of the week.

Game companies that make changes to their games based off of ill informed customers' complaints usually destroy that particular aspect of the game. I am truly sorry that the warzone population can't see that things are well balanced as they now stand.
While I agree this is partially true, there are balance issues that also play a part and it isn't all about the Imps being better organized.

Thinking that is the only issue for PVP is not being honest.

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DimeStax
01.17.2012 , 08:53 AM | #172
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Where are the number's showing just how many people PVP? Even if 50% of servers are PVP servers, how full are they? At most, a lot of them have normal or light populations, so it doesn't seem to me that the PVP'rs outnumber the PVE'rs, really both seem about the same.]
I play on Dark Reaper (PvP server). We have the highest population out of all the American Servers, go check if you don't believe me. You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

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LordSemaj
01.17.2012 , 08:55 AM | #173
Quote: Originally Posted by Quinlynn View Post
While I agree this is partially true, there are balance issues that also play a part and it isn't all about the Imps being better organized.

Thinking that is the only issue for PVP is not being honest.
Funny you should say that. I play both sides.

What the Imps are Doing
- Healing each other
- Guarding Voidstar doors
- Passing the Huttball
- Not giving up mid
Imperial Chat
Darth Bob: god I wish they'd nerf scoundrels already, so OP
Ana Kin: anyone catch the devils game?
Rob Zombie: i got knocked off the bridge

What Republic is Doing
- Respeccing to DPS
- Guarding one-half the Voidstar doors
- Hogging the Huttball
- Grabbing left and right because Imps always win mid
Republic Chat
Jedi Jim: god I wish they'd nerf operatives already, so OP
Toby Wan: anyone catch the knicks game?
Rob Zombie Jr: i fell off the bridge... again.

Imps aren't any more organized. They just typically have a clue.
You can try to explain PVP to the ignorant... but you cannot Force them to understand it.

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CSMatthew
01.17.2012 , 09:00 AM | #174
Quote: Originally Posted by Viareggio View Post
In the future you need to move toward a sandbox direction, creating planets where we can build our own bases for our guilds, with the chance to assault and defend them. Take a look at Archeage or DAOC, and just copy from them.
Do this or fail.
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CSMatthew
01.17.2012 , 09:16 AM | #175
Quote: Originally Posted by evilmonkitar View Post
The game has only been out for a month.. sorry it doesn't give you the insta-gratification most people seek from everything these days... Sure the game has it's problems, but you can't expect EVERYTHING to be fixed and improved upon in 1 month.. There are issues that bother me, but I don't go around QQ'ing and making "OMG iz gunna unsub if this dont get fixed!" threads..

A great link for your reading pleasure: http://mrlizard.com/rants/why-havent...ixed-this-bug/

Great article in this post... it should be required reading for anyone playing MMORPGs...
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Raansu
01.17.2012 , 09:18 AM | #176
Quote: Originally Posted by LordSemaj View Post

The 50s may hurt more, but if anyone is expecting the odds to magically shift in their favor, they may be experiencing a delusion. Make whatever bracket you want, many games have brackets. Allow me to introduce you to a term you may be unfamiliar with -- twink.
No one is expecting the odds to "magically shift in their favor." It is just a simple fact that bolstering does not work. As for your ignorant twink remark...news flash moron, the warzones give xp. Kinda hard to sit at lvl 19 with decked out gear when you get 5k+ exp per warzone.

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LordSemaj
01.17.2012 , 09:28 AM | #177
Quote: Originally Posted by Raansu View Post
No one is expecting the odds to "magically shift in their favor." It is just a simple fact that bolstering does not work. As for your ignorant twink remark...news flash moron, the warzones give xp. Kinda hard to sit at lvl 19 with decked out gear when you get 5k+ exp per warzone.
But remarkably easy to keep moddable gear up to date with all the latest improvements. Tell me, when did your first character get a helmet? My alt already has one at level 12. That goes double for implants. Ah, Cybertech... is there nothing you can't make overpowered?

A level 12 sorcerer should not be hitting for 4k. Bolster works better than it should.
You can try to explain PVP to the ignorant... but you cannot Force them to understand it.

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jarjarloves
01.17.2012 , 09:30 AM | #178
Quote: Originally Posted by Viareggio View Post
I am sorry fanboys are still defending PvP in TOR: Thanks to people like you this game will be dead soon. As soon as the PvP community migrates to another game (Tera and GW2 are just around the corner). BW should be pruod of you.
if you mean a year from now sure they are both "around the corner"

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beagle-san
01.17.2012 , 09:36 AM | #179
Quote: Originally Posted by Crylor View Post
Full Premades?











No.
If he's referring to the need to put premades into a seperate bracket, then




Yes.

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Vidrak
01.17.2012 , 09:45 AM | #180
The game doesn't seem very focused on PvP to begin with. Sure it needs fixing, but it probably isn't high priority. I haven't even tried out Illum yet, but from some videos I have seen, it looks pretty stupid ... both sides standing around and it looks like they are swapping objectives with each other. If they make it off kills, it will probably be even worse if population is that imbalanced. I honestly don't know how imbalanced the populations are, I just hear people say they are.

Either way, Open World PvP is always going to suck balls with 2 factions. I am not sure what the game companies have going through their heads, but it will never really work like they want it to.

I will stop playing when I stop having fun, which will probably be in the next month. I can't say I am surprised that an EA game that was pushed out too early isn't going to hold my attention for very long.

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