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Operatives: Most broken garbage balance ever.

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Operatives: Most broken garbage balance ever.

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Grandpappy
01.17.2012 , 07:11 AM | #201
Quote: Originally Posted by Dezerian View Post
Even pyromancers in rift and fire wizards in warhammer didn't have stealth, just got out of a super fun game where an operative decided to camp me in spawn in huttball so I couldn't even get a single medal, he just sat outside my spawn and waited for me. I didn't even know the guy, but I could literally do nothing to him before I was killed in his 5 second knockdown out of stealth.

Good balance bioware, you made rift and warhammer look good.
Agreed - whoever designed the OP's must play one in game. I'm no slouch in PVP and have some expertise gear and I routinely get killed before the knockdown is over.

Excuse me...I think I'll go roll an OP now before the nerf bat hits
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kijthae
01.17.2012 , 07:24 AM | #202
got %9 expertise , it takes 5 seconds for an operative to kill me in 2 cc if im not tank speced.

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neurosisxeno
01.17.2012 , 07:28 AM | #203
Quote: Originally Posted by kijthae View Post
got %9 expertise , it takes 5 seconds for an operative to kill me in 2 cc if im not tank speced.
What 2 CC abilities? Because the big hit they have and Knockdown fills resolve, so I'm DYING to know what the second one is...
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muscarine
01.17.2012 , 07:40 AM | #204
The sole fact that the operative/smuggler class forces you to save your cc breaker / force cloak (in my case) in case they attack you screws balance.

Dedicating most of the survivability part of your build and saving it for a single foe because you may get 3 shot'd otherwise is not defendable at all.

Leaves you naked and under too much constant pressure, even if you don't act as a stupid 1v1'er.

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rlhaas
01.17.2012 , 07:42 AM | #205
Qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq.
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big_aug
01.17.2012 , 07:44 AM | #206
Quote: Originally Posted by zqsd View Post
This post made me laugh, hard.

This has nothing to do with being an operative or not, only facts matters.

Fact is:

With 500+ expertise, you still drop to 30-40% hp during the knockdown (2s) vs average operative if you don't have your trinket up. This damage is completely unavoidable, no matter what you do.
You can be the best pgm in the world you will still lose more than half your life in 2s by any keyboard turner playing a decently geared operative.

There is nothing to argue, nothing to defend, this simple fact is enough to prove imbalance and anyone stating this is normal behavior has absolutely no idea what a good gameplay and a good balance class are.

Period.
Fact is:

I routinely do less than 5k TOTAL DAMAGE through 3 attacks on my opener. I regularly hit for 1500 on Hidden Strike and ~1k on backstab, shiv, and lacerate. Hell, sometimes I hit lvl 15's for less than 2K (with hidden strike).

Do I also hit for 10k+ sometimes through that combo? Yep. Not even close to every time though. It's balanced. You only remember the times you get killed though.

And I have 411 expertise by the way.

The simple fact is that all the people who don't play operative don't have a clue. They only remember when they get destroyed with 5K openers and are dead before the stun is over. They don't even notice the times they are carrying the ball and an operative opens on them for 1k damage and no knockdown because their resolve bar was already full.

I posted videos and only a few people even watched/commented on them. It showed me doing massive damage as well as COMPLETE CRAP damage throughout hours of warzones. It also showed me getting caught by other operatives and then proceeding to kill them.

Everyone needs to stop whining and start playing.

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rlhaas
01.17.2012 , 07:45 AM | #207
Aren't all of you ashamed to be doing the exact same thing people were doing in regards to Rogues? Rogues were fine and all of you babies needed to L2P, and it's exactly the same here.
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Zomnipotent
01.17.2012 , 07:47 AM | #208
Quote: Originally Posted by BegaTasty View Post
hes doing exactly what they are designed to do. Why were you rushing out without help, why were you not working with team ? I know... because you were rambo'ing it ... as usual in BG farming. This crusade you people are on, is so silly. Your hoping that posting post after post after post, an making each consecutive one more dramatic than the last will force bioware to give you what you want. Then you will move onto next class....

Beats me why you are on a pvp server in first place. You will notice a common thread to these complaints, its all done in BG farming. World pvp this doesn't happen.
This argument always confuses me. Every time somebody defends their class with "bring your team" I just want to say, where's your team? Oh? you don't need one? Oh ok, guess not needing a team to do your job when everyone else does, isn't overpowered.


Derp.

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BambulaGTS
01.17.2012 , 07:48 AM | #209
Quote: Originally Posted by rlhaas View Post
Aren't all of you ashamed to be doing the exact same thing people were doing in regards to Rogues? Rogues were fine and all of you babies needed to L2P, and it's exactly the same here.
At least rogues do not have ambush+cheap shot+garrote combined in one shot ...

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zqsd
01.17.2012 , 07:49 AM | #210
Quote: Originally Posted by big_aug View Post
Fact is:

I routinely do less than 5k TOTAL DAMAGE through 3 attacks on my opener. I regularly hit for 1500 on Hidden Strike and ~1k on backstab, shiv, and lacerate. Hell, sometimes I hit lvl 15's for less than 2K (with hidden strike).

Do I also hit for 10k+ sometimes through that combo? Yep. Not even close to every time though. It's balanced. You only remember the times you get killed though.

And I have 411 expertise by the way.

The simple fact is that all the people who don't play operative don't have a clue. They only remember when they get destroyed with 5K openers and are dead before the stun is over. They don't even notice the times they are carrying the ball and an operative opens on them for 1k damage and no knockdown because their resolve bar was already full.

I posted videos and only a few people even watched/commented on them. It showed me doing massive damage as well as COMPLETE CRAP damage throughout hours of warzones. It also showed me getting caught by other operatives and then proceeding to kill them.

Everyone needs to stop whining and start playing.
I completely don't care if 10k combos during opener only happens once every full moon, can't you understand it should'nt happen at all?