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Scoundrels/Operatives ridculously OP.

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Scoundrels/Operatives ridculously OP.

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Gratlim
01.17.2012 , 12:49 AM | #1061
Hum I don't know if they are OP. They are often stealthed and usually as a fresh 50 powertech it's either:
- Fresh operative: dot the hell out off him and kite as much as possible. 30/70 survival chance
- Geared operative / scoundrels: they burn my HPs with their opening (chain crit 3k5). I am often like: " wth just killed me"?

I still prefer to face one of those one trick glass canons than faceroll commandos that can chain 2k5 dmg / heal themselves while killing everything around them.

In the hand out of my 3 toons: powertech, sorcerer and assassin, I feell gimped as Powertech, OK as Assassin and OP as Sorcerer. Sorc is best pvp class imo. Powertech is worst as far as I know.

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wixxkruppel
01.17.2012 , 12:50 AM | #1062
Quote: Originally Posted by UnimatrixSteel View Post
Fail! Operative's 3 second knockdown cannot be broken.
Another failure who's never even played against an operative, yet is here crying about it.

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Wynn
01.17.2012 , 12:50 AM | #1063
Quote: Originally Posted by Sunflier View Post
Look, the operative/scoundral has to give something up. Either they lose their in combat cloak or their knock down stun when they come out of cloak with their back stab. being able to murder somebody an get away with it more often than not, should not be the case. Saw 2 lvl 50 operatives hold off 6 people cause they murdered 4 and the healers were all that was left.
How about you dont ask for nerfs that hit us healers because 2 50s took out 4 low levels.

My girlfriend(Jug tank) and me healing with guard on has held a node for 7mins vs over half a team. Trying to prove your point with low levels is silly.

2 50 OPs can not take on 4 50s one of which has you stated a healer.
Crazy old dyslexic Healer that loves cakecheese
Operative: Wynn, Mercenary: Fenrich, Sorcerer: Nall
Also old Droid Engineer from Starsider

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Chaos_Distortion
01.17.2012 , 12:50 AM | #1064
Quote: Originally Posted by Riulassher View Post
I see more Operatives on my server than BHs. Meh.

Just a hour ago I watched from my defense point on Alderaan how one of our Scoundrels simply obliterated two enemies, with their HP bars going down in 20-25% chunks.

I felt pity for them.

And I feel pity for Operatives, for their nerf is inevitable. It's irrelevant, whether its a deserved nerf or not. Their time to kill is faster than a time to kill of Witch Elves at the height of their dominance in WAR and the playerbase will scream murder until it's changed.
Rofl, you can't be serious.. I had a 55 renown WE before they got nerfed and no class in any mmo I've played killed faster than my WE. WE needed a few tweaks but Mythic ended up completely gutting them. Then they buffed them up a bit to make the class bearable again. During the WEs supreme reign, no class in any MMO could kill as fast as a WE. Scoundrels/OPs are no where near what WEs were pre-nerf, so stop lying. I got my WE to RR 80 before quitting Warhammer too. Scoundrels/OPs are fine, buff stacking needs to get nerfed and power needs a hard cap, that's it. Nothing else needs to happen to any classes in this game. I don't even think Sorcs/Sages need to be nerfed, no class does. Until Bioware fixes buff stacking and puts a hard cap on power, classes shouldn't be changed.
Empathetic (Chaos Legacy): 50 Scoundrel (Sawbones) Healer, Empathetic: 50 Sage (Seer) Healer on Helm of Graush and various other Alts.
Been playing pvp Support/Healing in nearly every MMO since 1997 UO.

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staysa
01.17.2012 , 12:55 AM | #1065
Quote: Originally Posted by Wynn View Post
2 50 OPs can not take on 4 50s one of which has you stated a healer.
I used to agree. Then I killed a 50 mercenary as a lvl19 mercenary in huttball. People really are just that bad.

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Wynn
01.17.2012 , 12:56 AM | #1066
Quote: Originally Posted by staysa View Post
I used to agree. Then I killed a 50 mercenary as a lvl19 mercenary in huttball. People really are just that bad.
You have I point I can kill level 50s on my 28 baby BH but that's not the class, player skill means a lot in pvp
Crazy old dyslexic Healer that loves cakecheese
Operative: Wynn, Mercenary: Fenrich, Sorcerer: Nall
Also old Droid Engineer from Starsider

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wallywaffles
01.17.2012 , 12:57 AM | #1067
Just to throw my 2 cents in here.

As a vanguard tank, I literally laugh in the face of operatives. Every time I see one I get a big grin on my face cause I know I can easily take them. Toss out a stealth scan to reveal them, charge up and use gut so the bleed damage keeps them out of stealth, and a few whacks later they are dead. Besides a bubble-less sorc, they are the easiest class for me to take down. Even if the get the drop on me with their annoying knockdown, they usually only knock down about 1/3 of my health before I annihilate them. Maybe they just don't know how to play their class, but I've never met an operative who beat me in a 1v1 or even 2v1, at least since level 50.

On Ilum the other day in a 3v1 I took out an Imp and 2 companions before I went down. Today I was playing Alderaan WZ and was alone at the center turret when a Jugg and a Merc charged up. I finished them both off with 75% HP remaining.

My point is, any class that has PvP gear is OP compared to one that doesn't, we don't need to nerf them. I'd say sorc/sage bubble or jugg/vanguard hold the line is much more OP, especially in Warzones.

I realize there are 103 pages of people disagreeing with me, but I prefer to see the benefits of my own class and enjoy the game. If it's really that gamebreaking, it's not hard to re-roll (you don't lose your current characters or anything). The great thing about this game is that each class has a different story, and there are enough bonus quests to do a different progression on a few different characters. I know I for one would look forward to seeing more Operatives

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UnimatrixSteel
01.17.2012 , 12:57 AM | #1068
Quote: Originally Posted by TheeWasp View Post
actually you can break their knockdown, but direcly after you press your 2 min cd ccbreak they use their next cc, debilitate/dirty kick and they still kill you. but hea thats alos a cd ability, 45 sec cd.
Shoot, well that explains it. So, really still no chance. Yes, I've used my CC break and no wonder I still couldnt react.

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Atrox
01.17.2012 , 12:59 AM | #1069
Quote: Originally Posted by wallywaffles View Post
As a vanguard tank, I literally laugh in the face of operatives.
OP class doesn't think OP class is OP.
Raijin - SI Assassin
Delacroix - IA Operative
Evil inside.

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UnimatrixSteel
01.17.2012 , 01:00 AM | #1070
Quote: Originally Posted by wixxkruppel View Post
Another failure who's never even played against an operative, yet is here crying about it.
What's with the name calling? I only see you crying All I notice, is you operatives trying to counter what everyone else, including me, is saying is a fact. Yes, I can see what class you are by your post history. Operative.

Not only that, every thread that says Op is OP, is countered by the same people. Not surprising. Try to be part of the discussion instead of being demeaning because you have added absolutely nothing to the discussion.