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"New MMO" isn't an excuse, especially with todays' consumers

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"New MMO" isn't an excuse, especially with todays' consumers

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Shadpwfox
01.16.2012 , 03:27 PM | #51
Quote: Originally Posted by Jesmcalli View Post
Rich leveling content? It's the same fedex quests we've seen in every MMO. Except this time, the environs ( arguably what should be one of the big selling points of an MMO) are tiny, truncated tunnels, not a single " Whoa......" moment to be had. Voiced over? I tried listening to every line of dialogue until I reached about 35. After a while, aside from the class quests, it's all the same: "Kill 15 of X, then 20 of Y, then the elite, collect Z and then run halfway across the area and meet Random NPC #1234" The conversation choices you have are almost always the same for every encounter.

As far as companions go, generally speaking, you get 6 total by the time you hit 50, but chances are you can only feasibly use one, depending on your character build. They can be buggy, the AI poor, and having to repeatedly shut off abilities every time they zone in, or come back for a mission, or just for whatever reason, is getting old.

End game operations are at lackluster at best, BW didn't really break the mold there. Actually getting groups for them when you're Republic means spamming general chat for eternity, which is not how I want to spend my time in game. I've actually done FPs 3 times while leveling, and skipped almost all the heroic missions. Getting groups was way too time consuming.

As far as PVP goes, it's really the only thing you can reliably do at 50, on your time, at your pace, according to your schedule. Saying that " it isn't a PVP game" isn't an excuse. If you put an aspect of the game in, you should darned well give it it's due diligence. It's a disservice to the players, and very discrediting to a company, to tack it on the way it has been. At it's current state, they should have left PVP out entirely. Instead of bragging that it was this fantastic thing, with a whole team dedicated to it, when it clearly is not, and they clearly did not. The gearing system is a joke, and probably one of the most painful, tedious and masochistic design systems I've ever seen.
Why the hell are you playing then? Just to ***** and whine and say how you hate it? I can't believe you're an adult or even a male for that matter. You have zero clue what you're talking about. Seriously bro grow a pair of ********s and quit if you hate it so much quit whining like a ***** on a forum of a game that hasn't even been out a month and they're patching CONSTANTLY. PvP will NEVER be a major part of a game like this, you want PvP go play guildwars 2 when it comes out.


I swear pvp sections of forum are filled with the most whiny, pissy peoiple I've ever encountered..what's even worse is it's mostly men in their 20s that think they know better than the game designers who actually went to school for this kind of stuff.. Just pathetic

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Maasterrcsaw
01.16.2012 , 03:28 PM | #52
Quote: Originally Posted by MPagano View Post
Not a pvp game
Not strictly a PvE game either. Sure PvE has been focused on, but it's an MMO. People expect a PvE and PvP side to an MMO, and more importantly expect both elements to work. PvP does not.

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Maasterrcsaw
01.16.2012 , 03:29 PM | #53
Quote: Originally Posted by Shadpwfox View Post
I swear pvp sections of forum are filled with the most whiny, pissy peoiple I've ever encountered..
Hypocrisy comes to mind.

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FIGHTorFIGHT
01.16.2012 , 03:32 PM | #54
Its pretty obvious the game is a letdown in every area except for single player.

BW picked a good time to release since there are no other major games coming for a while.

If GW2 launched tomorrow I am sure a huge chunk of the lvl 50 population would quit.

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Theballzz
01.16.2012 , 03:33 PM | #55
Quote: Originally Posted by Maasterrcsaw View Post
"Give it a chance, it's just been released PvP will EVENTUALLY be fixed"

Sorry, but no. Releasing a current gen mmo with broken PvP is absurd in a game with a subscription fee.

The consumers of today, regardless of their financial status, expect bang for their buck, it goes without saying. I am not being ignorant here. I have a limited understanding of the immense difficulty in producing these kinds of games, but patches are becoming far too convenient for developers. Ofcourse, it's all about money (see the EA icon on the front of the box?), and asking for £8.99 a month while the developers work on the other half of the game is robbery.

I want to make it clear here that I am not saying this game should have been released in a perfect state, and it is undeniable that the PvE side is brilliant in terms of leveling content. I am, however, stating PvP should be at a functional level when I enter the multitude of Warzones on offer (3, well, actually just 1 really).

For those of you who may reply "uninstall game please" or "if you don't like it go play something else", you have missed the point completely.

It is us, the gamers, in this respect; that are being played.
You should be thankfull we have this mmo. Thats all.

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Amdarius
01.16.2012 , 03:35 PM | #56
Quote: Originally Posted by Playdohqt View Post
People are so impatient nowadays. That's all it really is. Also, I find that BW did a fantastic job launching SWTOR, I don't even dare compare it to Vanilla WoW as that was a TRUE disaster.

Also, if you have issues with bugs/exploits at the launch of a game, wait for a couple weeks/months? It's not like making a game like this is piss easy
There is nothing impatient about wanting a game with good PVP at launch.

Unless you're one of those types who enables this type of ill-designed launch.

I need to start making games and just get people like you to post in my forums. Making excuses for anything.

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Maasterrcsaw
01.16.2012 , 03:35 PM | #57
Quote: Originally Posted by Theballzz View Post
You should be thankfull we have this mmo. Thats all.
And on the flipside, the creators should be overly thankful they have the PvP'ers money. That is all.

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tindin
01.16.2012 , 03:36 PM | #58
Quote: Originally Posted by FIGHTorFIGHT View Post
Its pretty obvious the game is a letdown in every area except for single player.

BW picked a good time to release since there are no other major games coming for a while.

If GW2 launched tomorrow I am sure a huge chunk of the lvl 50 population would quit.
what is obvious is that ppl like you shouldn't speak for others.

some like it some hate it..... that's kind of how life is

the ones that like it well stay and wait for the fixes to roll in
the ones that don't move on to the next one and do the same **** tell they find the one they like

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Mblythe
01.16.2012 , 03:37 PM | #59
Actually, the game being new is a fine excuse... the real problem, which goes far beyond this game, is the current consumer base and their very poor attitudes.

Be thankful you do not work with the public. Their selfishness and stupidity are awful and it does nothing but wear on you to the point where you just dont care.

They should take warning stickers off everything to thin out the stupid. We are being overrun like a bad zombie movie.
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ScootyPuffSenior
01.16.2012 , 03:41 PM | #60
Quote: Originally Posted by Zaskaszh View Post
Deal with your unrealistic expectations now.
The pretty much sums up the defending rebuttals: production-worthy (not 100% complete, not great, not without bugs, but simply production-worthy), PvP is unrealistic from a post-production game. Brilliant.