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Stop complaining about EXPERTISE

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Stop complaining about EXPERTISE

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neocoma
01.16.2012 , 09:16 AM | #211
seriously ...expertise brings 10% more damage and more damage reduction. That's it considering you sit on 500 expertise. and im guessing here.

dont cry so loud about that. You will soon enough see what bracketing brought us all when you imps wait 15 mins for a huttball match and barely or even never ever again see voidstar/alderaan.

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zqsd
01.16.2012 , 09:20 AM | #212
Quote: Originally Posted by aspectsofwar View Post
What is the difference between Expertise and any other stat in the game? Two players with best in slot gear are going to "cancel each other out" even if expertise didn't exist. A player with best in slot gear is going to destroy an under geared player even if expertise didn't exist. This is an MMO and a gear grind is necessary to keep people playing in PvP as well as PvE. If you don't want gear disparity GO PLAY A FIGHTING GAME.


Expertise just keeps PvP gear out of PvE. That is its only purpose.

I can't believe how difficult this is for people to grasp...

I fully support your post.

Complaining about expertise is totally retarded, all it does is keeping pve raiders to come in BG and destroy everyone on sight.

If expertise was replaced by a "normal" stat, it would'nt change anything; geared pvp players would still destroy non-geared players AND you would see a lot more people with pve gear in BG, also destroying non-geared players... So it would be even worse.

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ViskarNogame
01.16.2012 , 09:24 AM | #213
Quote: Originally Posted by Vyndian View Post
I personally don't think that expertise is a problem, in an isolated instance. I just don't see how it's fair to have low levels grouping with 50s that have expertise, making them an almost unstoppable force in PvP. If you're someone like me who's trying to PvP at low levels to get the gear/save commendations/whatever, it's difficult to do so when no matter what your skill level is, you get farmed by a group of four 50s who queued against you on the other side. Again, expertise isn't the problem. It has only been a problem having people with it facing off against people who don't.
Basically this.
Expertise in it's current design was -meant- to troll people.

Expertise increases the amount you damage you do, decreases the amount of damage you take, and increases the healing you do.

2 50s v 2 50s. Both full expertise. The bonus damage is now being negated by the others expertise. So basically just bonus healing to counter the 30% MS.

2 50s v 2 40s (Or 2 50s JUST starting to gear up.) The 50s with Expertise now do more damage to the others, AND take less damage. So it's literally a stat -built- to farm people.

Solution: With the "Bolster" buff given to anyone under level 50 - Always give Expertise. Maybe a given 10%. Wouldn't be much, but would still help.

[Was on my level 29 PT last night. 50 Assassin full Champion comes up to me. Hits me for 9K, 7900, 4700 (several small few hundred hits) and a final 9800 within 5 seconds. Now my main dominates him [Since let's be honest. On servers like mine it's ALWAYS the same people in every Warzone] but when it's expertise v no expertise. It's just LOLNOTY

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diantoscr
01.16.2012 , 09:26 AM | #214
Quote: Originally Posted by aspectsofwar View Post
What is the difference between Expertise and any other stat in the game? Two players with best in slot gear are going to "cancel each other out" even if expertise didn't exist. A player with best in slot gear is going to destroy an under geared player even if expertise didn't exist. This is an MMO and a gear grind is necessary to keep people playing in PvP as well as PvE. If you don't want gear disparity GO PLAY A FIGHTING GAME.


Expertise just keeps PvP gear out of PvE. That is its only purpose.

I can't believe how difficult this is for people to grasp...

expertise is fine...in a world where you dont mix players who can stack it on every peice of gear (lvl 50s) with EVERYONE ELSE...

i understand they are fixing this issue with a bracket...but 50s farming 20s & 30s put a sour taste in a lot of peoples mouths.

what i dont understand is why there werent brackets in the first place...

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Malice_Nihilim
01.16.2012 , 09:28 AM | #215
Quote: Originally Posted by aspectsofwar View Post
What is the difference between Expertise and any other stat in the game? Two players with best in slot gear are going to "cancel each other out" even if expertise didn't exist. A player with best in slot gear is going to destroy an under geared player even if expertise didn't exist. This is an MMO and a gear grind is necessary to keep people playing in PvP as well as PvE. If you don't want gear disparity GO PLAY A FIGHTING GAME.


Expertise just keeps PvP gear out of PvE. That is its only purpose.

I can't believe how difficult this is for people to grasp...
Alright, first you horrible excuse for a gamer who has no actual concept about what an MMO is or how they work on any basic level, as you clearly show that you have only ever played WoW previously....

Time for some basic education.

First and foremost, MMO's have been vastly successful without gear grinds. Just because WoW is your only experience does not mean that you can use a blanket term of 'MMO's' when that is a bold face ignorant lie. Stop assuming every MMO is based off WoW.

Second, you have no clue how stats work then or how Expertise works then do you? Expertise allows ONLY 50's! to have a MASSIVE advantage stat. Now if Expertise was available to all levels, then it wouldn't have a MASSIVE impact, but it isn't, so it does. The game is founded on 10's playing with 50's.....the 50's already clearly have an advantage, then but then you just allow them to break out of being 50's and become something far far worse with Expertise.

Please grow up, learn basic game concepts and learn that WoW is not the only MMO that has come out. Please pull your head our of your rear and stop spreading your ignorance to others like you have a clue.
My Armor is Contempt, My Shield is Disgust, My Sword is Hatred
In the Emperor's Name, let None Survive!

~~~PLAGUE~~~

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Vyndian
01.16.2012 , 09:28 AM | #216
Quote: Originally Posted by neocoma View Post
seriously ...expertise brings 10% more damage and more damage reduction.
So what you're saying is that every time I face a 50 that has worked for gear in a warzone I'm -only- going to lose by 20%. Only. And that's without the abilities.

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SurgeonFish
01.16.2012 , 09:29 AM | #217
Quote: Originally Posted by ViskarNogame View Post
but when it's expertise v no expertise. It's just LOLNOTY
So 10% expertise makes them do thousands of more damage to you? Didnt know expertise was so OP brah.

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Malice_Nihilim
01.16.2012 , 09:31 AM | #218
Quote: Originally Posted by zqsd View Post
I fully support your post.

Complaining about expertise is totally retarded, all it does is keeping pve raiders to come in BG and destroy everyone on sight.

If expertise was replaced by a "normal" stat, it would'nt change anything; geared pvp players would still destroy non-geared players AND you would see a lot more people with pve gear in BG, also destroying non-geared players... So it would be even worse.
Sadly the only reason why this system exists at all is because WoW did it and they even admit it was a less than optimal answer to what they were trying to fix.

Reality is, if you want to create a division between PvP and PvE gear, try creating a PvE stat instead. Why you say? Because no boss mob has ever rage quit and canceled there sub because the system is horrible.
My Armor is Contempt, My Shield is Disgust, My Sword is Hatred
In the Emperor's Name, let None Survive!

~~~PLAGUE~~~

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Vyndian
01.16.2012 , 09:31 AM | #219
*and take 10 percent less damage than you. And what happens if they are using stims and the buffs around the map? There are expertise buffs on the map that we can use but give absolutely no benefit.

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zqsd
01.16.2012 , 09:33 AM | #220
Quote: Originally Posted by VyndianFish View Post
So what you're saying is that every time I face a 50 that has worked for gear in a warzone I'm -only- going to lose by 20%. Only. And that's without the abilities.
Why should a player who spent time to farm pvp gear should'nt destroy you, who did not?