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Stop complaining about EXPERTISE

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Stop complaining about EXPERTISE

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Razersghost
01.16.2012 , 05:56 AM | #201
Quote: Originally Posted by KiznaCat View Post
I don't see a problem with expertise. It's fine, let lvl 50 people have it.

Also: lvl 50 players that faceroll you, don't just do that cause of expertise, they also do that cause they know how to play their class.
It has nothing to do with people being able to play their class.

At 50 you have more skills, stuns and interrupts than you do at say level 10 / 25/ 30.. Playing as a level 25 sith Juggernaut i sat on a level 50 in a warzone. Interrupted 1 heal with my close range.. ran away and charged the second heal and yet i still got killed in about 5 spells. While dpsing the person with as much damage as i could.

That has nothing to do with skills.

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Malstrades
01.16.2012 , 06:17 AM | #202
Quote: Originally Posted by aspectsofwar View Post
What is the difference between Expertise and any other stat in the game? Two players with best in slot gear are going to "cancel each other out" even if expertise didn't exist. A player with best in slot gear is going to destroy an under geared player even if expertise didn't exist. This is an MMO and a gear grind is necessary to keep people playing in PvP as well as PvE. If you don't want gear disparity GO PLAY A FIGHTING GAME.


Expertise just keeps PvP gear out of PvE. That is its only purpose.

I can't believe how difficult this is for people to grasp...
we dont want seperate pvp and pve worlds, we dont want a stupid wow resilience mechanic we left wow because of it, we dont want brackets so we CANT play with friends and the comunity, we dont need mechanics to have fun and we certainly dont care if gear bought with pvp tokens is easier to get.

we like the game as swtor, not as a cheap wow copy with the useless expertise/rsilience stat, not as a seperate high lvl bracket. all they have to do is remove expertice and tweak some classes their abilities.

BUT EXPERTISE MUST GO, its useless and we dont need it. we dont need another wow with an elite niche, we want fun.

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Ashes_Arizona
01.16.2012 , 06:49 AM | #203
Sorry was busy scaring people to death in Voidstar.

Overall as much as I've put a lot of words into this the simple facts are, if you even out the PvE and PvP gear stats, you can choose to get either, and do either and you're good for either. Then its a matter of personal skill, in PvP and/or PvE operations. Which is how it should be.

I mean, its not a difficult thing to "code" as some people put it. All gear databases are modular and can accept updates on the fly, they could change your Battlemaster set while you were logged in so the stats were Presence and Willpower if they wanted.

Simple fact is, Expertise isn't needed, its only needed for one thing, to segregate the community between PvP and PvE players and in the process completely destroy OPvP entirely.

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Aestel
01.16.2012 , 07:38 AM | #204
They shouldn't have made expertise a PvP stat instead they should have made a PvE stat as thats where they use the gear to gate content. That way they can tone down the gap between each tier of gear in PvP without making PvE gear the go to for PvP.

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Slechtvalk
01.16.2012 , 07:41 AM | #205
Quote: Originally Posted by Goldenstar View Post
Expertise isn't the problem...the problem is that gear shouldn't have a role in determining the outcome of a PvP match. Why should you have a competetive advantage over me because you've played longer. The most talented player should be the winner in any match, not the one who spent the most time grinding gear.
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chrismgtis
01.16.2012 , 08:50 AM | #206
Quote: Originally Posted by aspectsofwar View Post
What is the difference between Expertise and any other stat in the game? Two players with best in slot gear are going to "cancel each other out" even if expertise didn't exist. A player with best in slot gear is going to destroy an under geared player even if expertise didn't exist. This is an MMO and a gear grind is necessary to keep people playing in PvP as well as PvE. If you don't want gear disparity GO PLAY A FIGHTING GAME.


Expertise just keeps PvP gear out of PvE. That is its only purpose.

I can't believe how difficult this is for people to grasp...
Big difference. Know what you're talking about or don't talk about it. And no, that's not it's only purpose nor it's only effect.

But good try.

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Orangerascal
01.16.2012 , 08:55 AM | #207
Quote: Originally Posted by Ashes_Arizona View Post
Simple fact is, Expertise isn't needed, its only needed for one thing, to segregate the community between PvP and PvE players and in the process completely destroy OPvP entirely.
Umm .... pve and pvp gear are exactly equivalent in terms of pvp. The only reason that expertise gear exists is to prevent trivializing the pve content.

Proof: Compare battle master and rakata. Rakate gear as more endurance and main stat negating any benefit from expertise.

Remember people: Expertise is synonymous with +xxx endurance and +xxx (str,cun,wil,aim)

Most people complaining are really complaining about gear disparity ... which will be fixed with lvl 50 WF's and rated WF's
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SandTrout
01.16.2012 , 09:00 AM | #208
Quote: Originally Posted by Orangerascal View Post
Umm .... pve and pvp gear are exactly equivalent in terms of pvp. The only reason that expertise gear exists is to prevent trivializing the pve content.

Proof: Compare battle master and rakata. Rakate gear as more endurance and main stat negating any benefit from expertise.

Remember people: Expertise is synonymous with +xxx endurance and +xxx (str,cun,wil,aim)

Most people complaining are really complaining about gear disparity ... which will be fixed with lvl 50 WF's and rated WF's
You just proved your quote right. Expertise only serves to force people to play one or the other because you need normal stats in PvE (which BM gear lacks) and Expertise in PvP (which Rakata lacks).

That said, I ALSO have an issue with gear disparity, but I consider it less likely for gear disparity to be removed than expertise.

They are two separate, if related, issues.

Edit: Reread that you were saying that PvE gear is just as effective as PvP gear in PvP. This actually is not strictly correct, but still, it sets up equipment so that PvPers will end up with sub-par gear in PvE.
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Highfives
01.16.2012 , 09:04 AM | #209
Quote: Originally Posted by aspectsofwar View Post
What is the difference between Expertise and any other stat in the game? Two players with best in slot gear are going to "cancel each other out" even if expertise didn't exist. A player with best in slot gear is going to destroy an under geared player even if expertise didn't exist. This is an MMO and a gear grind is necessary to keep people playing in PvP as well as PvE. If you don't want gear disparity GO PLAY A FIGHTING GAME.


Expertise just keeps PvP gear out of PvE. That is its only purpose.

I can't believe how difficult this is for people to grasp...
Expertise renders the bolster mechanic useless which is why they are bracketing 50s.
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Vyndian
01.16.2012 , 09:10 AM | #210
I personally don't think that expertise is a problem, in an isolated instance. I just don't see how it's fair to have low levels grouping with 50s that have expertise, making them an almost unstoppable force in PvP. If you're someone like me who's trying to PvP at low levels to get the gear/save commendations/whatever, it's difficult to do so when no matter what your skill level is, you get farmed by a group of four 50s who queued against you on the other side. Again, expertise isn't the problem. It has only been a problem having people with it facing off against people who don't.