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Stop complaining about EXPERTISE

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Stop complaining about EXPERTISE

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Coinkee
01.16.2012 , 04:28 AM | #161
Quote: Originally Posted by Ashes_Arizona View Post
Hah I got a guy on Harbinger that I know cause we PvP a lot, hes an SI:S in full Champion gear and every time he sees my level 25 BHPT AP in a warzone he just goes somewhere else cause he knows I'll do my best to try to kill him if he attacks me, but he knows I can't win at all.

Hes a guy that fully understands there is no challenge in how Expertise works, so he'll generally run right by me to go after a level 50 on my team that has PvP gear on.

And generally I just let him do his thing and I do mine, if we're on seperate teams. Unfortunately not enough people like you and him are willing to admit what a crutch Expertise is. I expect a lot of people that are heavily defending Expertise wouldn't PvP at all without it. Though I can only say that is a suspicion backed without facts.
I'm only defending it because i'm looking at the long term. Right now. it's horrible simply because the 1-49s have to deal with it in an enclosed instance and they shouldn't be grouped with them.

Come Tuesday that will preserve the lvling thru pvp aspect without bullies.

Come next month it won't matter in the 50s bracket cuz everyone will have it except fresh 50s working towards it.

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Toranna
01.16.2012 , 04:31 AM | #162
If people want to know the easy answer to the craptastic "PvP stat" implementation we have here. Scrap it and start allowing ppl to spend the commendations to "Inhance or Modify Skills". There is no reason you can't have standard gear available for all to obtain, and implement something like a AA skill tree like in EQ.
Have one tree for PvP and one for PvE. These trees open up different combinations allowign for true skill custimaization for people. But hey that would require some real thinking on behalf of the devs and would require real testing to ensure people can't create the "God Ability". There are dozens of things you can do besides using the lazy way out and implementing another Craptastic "PvP Stat" system.

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Raxwars
01.16.2012 , 04:33 AM | #163
i'm not a fan of expertise, but i managed to get some champion/centurion gear, reached about 300 expertise, and now my pvp experience is completely different. From 100k+ damage i passed to 250k+, and suddenly i'm not the main target anymore.

So yeah, i'm not an exptertise fan, but now that it is implemented in game, there's not much to do. I mean, if someone removed the gear i lost hours trying to get i would ragequit all over. That's not really solution.

The solution is to implement level 20 and level 40 obtainable pvp gear with expertise, or even to sell mods at the pvp vendor. But that gear/mods would have to be always obtainable trough pvp points.

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Coinkee
01.16.2012 , 04:35 AM | #164
Quote: Originally Posted by DKDArtagnan View Post
Check out ArcheAge
someone (maybe you) posted that name a few days ago in another thread. I wrote it down but havent had time to check it out.

Pls pls pls pls tell me its UO reborn.

I want to pvp in a skirt and sash again and have bandages to heal/rez ppl dammit!
I want to feel like i always have to look over my shoulder or protect my damn mule when i'm out gathering cuz i could lose it ALLLLLL lol
I want to wake up in the middle of the night in a panic cuz i didnt remember if i locked my keep door.
And i wanna remake my PKer that was shunned or insta gibbed by every NPC in the game and die to lose my stats/skills and have to redo them lolol (except my resist skill.. God that sucked to reskill!)

Altho i could do without the *You are taming the creature* lolol

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SandTrout
01.16.2012 , 04:36 AM | #165
Quote: Originally Posted by Coinkee View Post
I'm only defending it because i'm looking at the long term. Right now. it's horrible simply because the 1-49s have to deal with it in an enclosed instance and they shouldn't be grouped with them.

Come Tuesday that will preserve the lvling thru pvp aspect without bullies.

Come next month it won't matter in the 50s bracket cuz everyone will have it except fresh 50s working towards it.
The long term is that PvP and PvE communities will be separated, effectively halving the pool of players for either side to draw on.
Nerf not, lest ye be nerfed.

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Toranna
01.16.2012 , 04:36 AM | #166
Quote: Originally Posted by Raxwars View Post
i'm not a fan of expertise, but i managed to get some champion/centurion gear, reached about 300 expertise, and now my pvp experience is completely different. From 100k+ damage i passed to 250k+, and suddenly i'm not the main target anymore.

So yeah, i'm not an exptertise fan, but now that it is implemented in game, there's not much to do. I mean, if someone removed the gear i lost hours trying to get i would ragequit all over. That's not really solution.

The solution is to implement level 20 and level 40 obtainable pvp gear with expertise, or even to sell mods at the pvp vendor. But that gear/mods would have to be always obtainable trough pvp points.
They dont need to get rid of the gear just the Stat. There is no reason for a "PvP Stat". All that does is give Min/Maxers another way to stroke their EPEEN.

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Raxwars
01.16.2012 , 04:36 AM | #167
And for those saying, that pvp should be only about skill, what about pve? i enjoy both modes, i even prefer pve, but i think saying that is just being selfish.

What about if PvE gear was removed all over? you entered a heroic, a raid, with a predefined Raid Gear given to you by the server.

Do you think any1 would play like this? ofc not. stop demanding stupid things.

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Raxwars
01.16.2012 , 04:38 AM | #168
Quote: Originally Posted by Toranna View Post
They dont need to get rid of the gear just the Stat. There is no reason for a "PvP Stat". All that does is give Min/Maxers another way to stroke their EPEEN.
If you removed the Expertise Stat and replaced with a Crit bonus let's say, there would be no points in Doing normal raids, because my pvp gear > pve gear. That's not a solution also.

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Toranna
01.16.2012 , 04:40 AM | #169
Quote: Originally Posted by Raxwars View Post
And for those saying, that pvp should be only about skill, what about pve? i enjoy both modes, i even prefer pve, but i think saying that is just being selfish.

What about if PvE gear was removed all over? you entered a heroic, a raid, with a predefined Raid Gear given to you by the server.

Do you think any1 would play like this? ofc not. stop demanding stupid things.
There are dozens of things they could give besides gear. Titles, Skills, Modifications, Buffs just to name a few. Giving "Special" Gear is the lazy way out. And after other BioWare games I thought they would take a different approach, but I guess not.

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SandTrout
01.16.2012 , 04:41 AM | #170
Quote: Originally Posted by Raxwars View Post
And for those saying, that pvp should be only about skill, what about pve? i enjoy both modes, i even prefer pve, but i think saying that is just being selfish.

What about if PvE gear was removed all over? you entered a heroic, a raid, with a predefined Raid Gear given to you by the server.

Do you think any1 would play like this? ofc not. stop demanding stupid things.
In PvE you're not playing against players, you're playing against mechanics. These are two completely different mindsets, and if any distinction between PvP and PvE is made, recognizing that difference is crucial.

As for the predefined set of equipment for Heroics and Raids, I would still play them for the same reason that I play Expert Left 4 Dead, because it's a fun challenge.
Nerf not, lest ye be nerfed.