Why PvP is never fun in MMOs

It's really very basic. If you're a casual player who doesn't have the time to farm out tokens and get great gear, then when that player goes up against somebody who does, they'll always lose. There's no skill needed, it's all based on gear.

I am a very good in pvp. I got skills. This is a fact. I always win a 1vs1. I always help in objectives. I always do teamplay.
I am pvp rank 49.
I have opened 29 bags (more or less)
I have found 1 useful item: GLOVES
5 RELIC 4 IMPLANTS
Now.
I see around rank 35 with a full set.
They deal a lot more dmg than me. They absorb a lot more dmg than me.
I have like 190 expertise, they got 500.
2 things:

- NOMORE RANDOM DROP ITEMS FROM BAGS
OR
- NOMORE EXPERTISE

simply as this.

I'm going to guess 1 of 2 things has happened to cause this post.

1) Your a 50 who's opened a few bags to find nothing and are annoyed at the system

2) Your a low level who's getting smashed by 50's with PvP gear

In the case of point 1, tough, welcome to the club. Loads of players dislike the current award system but RNG is so common in so many RPG's I'm seriously wondering if many had any idea what they were getting in for. The only problem I currently see with it is being stuck with useless spares which you'll never use. Someone else could be using them.

For 2, could you not have waited till Tuesday? Valor really has nothing to do with your argument, since you unlock nothing at 50 valor. Even getting rid of the 50's from warzones and you could still find 49 Val's in there with you. Your problem is down to expertise and has nothing to do with valor at all. Quite a few 50 valor players have less champion gear than those in the 30's.

People complaining here seem to think every class at every level should have a fair chance 1 on 1 with any other class. Apart from being massively unrealistic and practically impossible to implement that's not the objective. The PvP warzones are a team game and even level 10's have a part to play but if you think your part is to go 1 on 1 the biggest most geared level 50 in the match then your mistaken.

If you get rid of expertise they need to boost the rest of the stats to match the PvE gear otherwise your handing an advantage to the hardcore raiders which is exactly why expertise exists in the first place.

Valor =/= Gear. As for what I want, I could care less. I did just fine in the BG's leveling up in oranges and blues against 50's in cent/champ/battlemaster gear. And when I say 'fine', I mean I preformed up to my expectations. I didn't always win, but I wasn't always immediately crushed either.

I personally see no problem with letting people without expertise fight those with expertise, so long as expertise does not create a gulf that is too large to reasonably gap. Now, as for the valor question, I see no reason why brackets should be based on valor either. You'll inevitably have mostly empty brackets at lower levels, as everyone progresses in valor.

tl;dr, I trust BW to make needed changes as they gather metrics, and the OP is unduly whining.

PvP is more about who has the stronger knowledge of classes and their abilities, and good situational awareness. If a player possesses both of these things, his gear isn't near as big a factor as you would make it seem.

There's no possible way that my post is a criticism about every other MMO I've played with PvP aspect to it. Nope. Otherwise I would have titled this thread something like "Why PvP is never fun in MMO's" instead of "PvP isn't fun in SWTOR"

Oh wait, the former WAS the title I used.

I've hardly PvP'd, only a few games so far, and I'm finding the same blaring mistakes that any other game has had. There's a complete imbalance in classes, too many stuns, roots and knock backs and as a corruption sorc, I can pretty much heal and shield myself long enough that the other player either get bored, or get killed by my teammates.

Bioware made the same mistakes that so many other MMOs out there made, most of which could be solved by simply treating a PvP system like you would a PvE system and separating levels (or in this case, valor ranks).

Bioware made the same mistakes that so many other MMOs out there made, most of which could be solved by simply treating a PvP system like you would a PvE system and separating levels (or in this case, valor ranks).

By all means, the next time you PvP, take off all of your gear and see just how good your are. Or buy yourself a bunch of level 35-45 greens and see how good you are. If you think gear means very little, you're sorely mistaken.