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3 big problems with SWTOR


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UA_Wookie
01.16.2012 , 12:47 AM | #101
Quote: Originally Posted by Papazooki View Post
Overly large planets: Planets are far too big. This spreads players out way too much and makes the place look like it's empty (add to that the other factors, and it probably IS empty).
Planets are really not that large. They only have the illusion of being larger because the linear paths wind back and forth throughout the zone. The reason that planets make it feel like a single player game is because they are not seamlessly connected with other zones. Also, because your movement is restricted by mountains, giant concrete walls, and other impassable objects the game feels like it's more on "rails", adding to the single-player feel. The SWTOR zones lack many freedoms that traditional MMO players are accustomed to.

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Jeedaix
01.16.2012 , 12:52 AM | #102
Quote: Originally Posted by Papazooki View Post
Where did that come from o.o


Well funny thing is we can search your previous post on the WoW vs Swtor, heck look at your sig.....Stop acting like a disgruntled customer.

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Jeedaix
01.16.2012 , 12:54 AM | #103
Quote: Originally Posted by Aroseby View Post
This is simply not true (5 year wow player here - 85 b/elf lock, 85 belf pally 85 b/elf dk, 85 b/elf priest, 80 troll druid,) ahem eg... Tol Barad daily quests are NOT grindy??? it took me 28 days!!!! of dailies to get enough to buy the tol barad flying mount (which finally gave me the gumption to stop playing) 28 days of get rusty rifle, steal fish, kill spiders, get bones, kill shark boss, collect lumber, collect cannonballs etc etc etc.
I won't list the Firelands dailies here but sometimes I almost cried having to do them to get the stuff I thought I wanted/needed.
Almost everything is a grindfest in WoW, rep especially. Bg's for honor points grrr just to find that the full set you ground honor for has just been replaced in new patch...so you have to grind more bg's for the newer better hand me down gear from arenas been there done it all (mostly lol)
You don't even have to quest in wow now, when my wife and I leveled alts we did bg's and random dungeons. Best and quickest way to get to 85 and gear. Seeing as a lot of quests you do don't even give you gear relative to your class(which I noticed SWTOR does, every class quest I do gives me gear related to my class or for my companions woot!!!)
and don't get me started on the bugs and issues that came with patch 4.3 (a whole sticky on wow forums about this and other game bugs which a lot of people fail to mention by the way) the sudden loss of durability on all items either worn or in bank. lol I logged on to my toons to find all of their gear red!!!!
Don't get me wrong I loved playing wow especially with my wife we made a great tank/healer combo. Often switching roles when we got bored.
It was exactly the way you quest in this game that tempted us over from wow (if blizz did the same we wouldn't even be having this exchange of ideas and opinions we would still be there)
So for now we are playing this, wow is on hiatus for us until we have a chance to play the beta of Mists (we both signed for yearly pass got mount, getting Diablo 3 and beta access)
But before you make claims make sure you also inform people of the things that are in wow that you claim exist here.

THIS 100 x's, well said Sir, my wife quit after cata, and thought Pandas were silly

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Papazooki
01.16.2012 , 01:15 AM | #104
Quote: Originally Posted by Aroseby View Post
This is simply not true (5 year wow player here - 85 b/elf lock, 85 belf pally 85 b/elf dk, 85 b/elf priest, 80 troll druid,) ahem eg... Tol Barad daily quests are NOT grindy??? it took me 28 days!!!! of dailies to get enough to buy the tol barad flying mount (which finally gave me the gumption to stop playing) 28 days of get rusty rifle, steal fish, kill spiders, get bones, kill shark boss, collect lumber, collect cannonballs etc etc etc.
I won't list the Firelands dailies here but sometimes I almost cried having to do them to get the stuff I thought I wanted/needed.
Almost everything is a grindfest in WoW, rep especially. Bg's for honor points grrr just to find that the full set you ground honor for has just been replaced in new patch...so you have to grind more bg's for the newer better hand me down gear from arenas been there done it all (mostly lol)
You don't even have to quest in wow now, when my wife and I leveled alts we did bg's and random dungeons. Best and quickest way to get to 85 and gear. Seeing as a lot of quests you do don't even give you gear relative to your class(which I noticed SWTOR does, every class quest I do gives me gear related to my class or for my companions woot!!!)
and don't get me started on the bugs and issues that came with patch 4.3 (a whole sticky on wow forums about this and other game bugs which a lot of people fail to mention by the way) the sudden loss of durability on all items either worn or in bank. lol I logged on to my toons to find all of their gear red!!!!
Don't get me wrong I loved playing wow especially with my wife we made a great tank/healer combo. Often switching roles when we got bored.
It was exactly the way you quest in this game that tempted us over from wow (if blizz did the same we wouldn't even be having this exchange of ideas and opinions we would still be there)
So for now we are playing this, wow is on hiatus for us until we have a chance to play the beta of Mists (we both signed for yearly pass got mount, getting Diablo 3 and beta access)
But before you make claims make sure you also inform people of the things that are in wow that you claim exist here.
I never said WoW quests aren't grindy.. you really wasted your time posting this :/
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R.I.P SWTOR: Dec 20th, 2011 - Jan 20th, 2012. Such a short life.

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skinthinner
01.16.2012 , 01:31 AM | #105
Quote: Originally Posted by UA_Wookie View Post
The SWTOR zones lack many freedoms that traditional MMO players are accustomed to.
...then those traditional players must not have played many MMOs.

Many if not most of the MMOs on the market are designed like 'corridors', even right down to the openings in the mountains, etc etc etc you speak of. I suppose if one only played something akin to maybe a game with flying mounts that were 'recently' added, one would want to also do that all over the new game world here, which would give you ZERO real challenge to explore and look around while also slowing the leveling pace.
"No plan of operations extends with certainty beyond the first encounter with the enemy's main strength" - Helmuth von Moltke the Elder

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TucoR
01.16.2012 , 01:32 AM | #106
Quote: Originally Posted by Papazooki View Post
Overly large planets: Planets are far too big.
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Planets are NEVER too large,these are PLANETS to start with.

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Fastin
01.16.2012 , 01:41 AM | #107
The biggest problem is lack of content at 50. This is what will cause players to leave the game. I truly enjoyed leveling to 50. It was the best leveling experience out of any MMO I have every played. The FP's were awesome and the planets were overall very fun. The problem is once you hit 50 the game flips to a PvP game. You should be able to run hard mode flash points as much as you desire. What is their reason for only allowing you to run each flash point once per day? Surely it is not that they are worried that you will get gear to quickly, after all i can PvP all day and acquire superior gear with ease. Bioware has I would wager thirty days to fix this problem. Most people will more than likely sub one month to see what happens. After that though I doubt most will stay. I know I will not.

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Jeedaix
01.16.2012 , 01:48 AM | #108
Quote: Originally Posted by Fastin View Post
The biggest problem is lack of content at 50. This is what will cause players to leave the game. I truly enjoyed leveling to 50. It was the best leveling experience out of any MMO I have every played. The FP's were awesome and the planets were overall very fun. The problem is once you hit 50 the game flips to a PvP game. You should be able to run hard mode flash points as much as you desire. What is their reason for only allowing you to run each flash point once per day? Surely it is not that they are worried that you will get gear to quickly, after all i can PvP all day and acquire superior gear with ease. Bioware has I would wager thirty days to fix this problem. Most people will more than likely sub one month to see what happens. After that though I doubt most will stay. I know I will not.

You do know they are adding new content on weds right? And in March huge content release, I have a level 30 and 15....Taking my time

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TheTurniipKing
01.16.2012 , 01:52 AM | #109
Quote: Originally Posted by Papazooki View Post
Cheers.

About the large planets, I can see where you're coming from. Personally, I love seeing people around me when I level.. but this is just preference / opinion.
FWIW, the planets ARE larger than the zoned areas. The zones on each planet don't represent the entire surface of the planet, just a small portion.

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TheTurniipKing
01.16.2012 , 01:55 AM | #110
Quote: Originally Posted by UA_Wookie View Post
impassable objects
Another problem is that many of them aren't actually all that impassible to a determined played with a good use of the jump button.

Which is good, because a world SHOULDN'T feel unnaturally constrained to the paths the devs have created. But this is also bad because they've clearly not smoothed out the seams between one area and another properly.