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princey
01.15.2012 , 08:55 PM | #91
Quote: Originally Posted by hushia View Post
What is the point of comparing Wow to SWTOR? They're not the same. It doesn't matter which one is more linear than the other. Just go play the game you like best, and stop posting in the other game's forum that it should be more like your favorite mmo. Thank you.
This. A million times this.

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DirtyDiggler
01.15.2012 , 09:01 PM | #92
they would have had time to work on endtime if they did character progression correctly. But the grind in this game is a joke, there is none, you can reach level cap in a week. By the end of everyones free month they will have a max character with nothing to do and a feeling as if they beat the game because now the storyline is over.

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SlickDevlan
01.15.2012 , 09:13 PM | #93
Quote: Originally Posted by Papazooki View Post
Alright, since my last thread on this topic got closed (probably due to my comparison with WoW.. which just caused mindless flaming from both sides).. I'll make this one more constructive.

The following are 3 big problems that need to be addressed ASAP if SWTOR wants to thrive:

1) Responsiveness:

SWTORs character responsiveness is pretty bad. With things like ability delay and animations having to finish before damage takes effect, it makes SWTOR combat / responsiveness VERY clunky.

The problem is not only with combat, but generally everything from mounting up and using quick travel. There seems to be a 0.5 second or so delay on abilities taking effect. This is a SERIOUS issue and needs to be looked into immediately.

2) The MMO factor:

Ask people if they feel like SWTOR is an MMO, and the most common answer you will get is "no". This is due to a few things:

-Sharding: Why does this even exist? All it does is prevents players from seeing eachother / communicating with eachother. Both being VERY big factors to an overall MMO feel.

-Too much phasing: There is FAR too much phasing in this game. Almost every quest leads to a phased area. I understand this is done to speed up questing, but it too has far too many cons.

Phasing itself is NOT the problem, in fact it has many benefits. The problem arises when you use it TOO MUCH.

Low server caps: This is quite simple, and doesn't need much explaining. The server caps just far too low. There needs to be a much bigger server cap (something like WoWs) which will mean more players. More players = MMO!

Overly large planets: Planets are far too big. This spreads players out way too much and makes the place look like it's empty (add to that the other factors, and it probably IS empty).

3) Endgame:

This is probably the biggest one. The main focus of an MMO should ALWAYS be end game. Right now, there is very little end game. The same flashpoints, the same warzones.. there's just nothing to do.

I know it's pretty early to derail SWTORs endgame, but there is absolutely nothing to do. BW should of been prepared, they should of known that MANY people would hit 50 within the free month. This could be the main reason that SWTOR will fail. It doesn't matter if they add end game later, what matters is how much they have when the game launches (when most people will try it out).. and that unfortunately is none.

I give you props for not regurgitating another thread about "NEEDING" Lfd, or dual spec or any of the other completely unnecessary features some people apparently cannot play without. That being said...

The responsiveness thing sucks. I didn't notice it on my fist couple go rounds (I have a few characters in the 20s) but I have noticed it in my most recent. They say they are working on it...I guess we wait and see. I'll give them some time.

The rest is completely subjective. I have never once, while playing WoW, or Rift, or EQ or any other MMOs looked at all the other people and thought about how amazingly MMOish this MMO is. In fact, outside of cities and quest hubs you rarely saw people in those games. I find the MMOness of SWTOR to be fine.

As for endgame needing to be THE focus...you'r probably right, but not right off the bat. I've played 3 MMOs from launch day now and none of them had much for endgame until much, much later in the process. WoW, for example, had MC and Ony...and that's it for a good 6-8 months.

So in closing, you are entitled to your opinion but I disagree with you wholeheartedly on endgame and the MMOness of SWTOR. Hopefully they fix the delay...

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dyves
01.15.2012 , 09:27 PM | #94
The server cap isn't really low, it's 3600. Rift has 2000 max as server cap, and WoW iirc also somewhere around the 3500. Problem is that the SWTOR worlds in total are pretty large, making everyone spread out a lot more than in other games.

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RocketRabbit
01.15.2012 , 09:32 PM | #95
1) UI, UI, UI... come on, it's 2012. Resize, move, and for the love of God, I play on a monitor larger than a 15" CRT... may I have more than 2 windows open?

2) Galactic Trade Mart: Oh, please, tell me the lead dev on this project didn't let his 12-year old kid have fun programming this abortion. Games had better markets half a dozen years ago.

3) Character customization and geear options. The customization options are, well.. weak. Everything from race selection and body size to the inability to wear a matched AND functional set of stylish clothing just smacks of a hurried release.

Now, before the zealous forum moderators latch onto this post like a starving pitbull on a t-bone, let me say I do enjoy the majority of the game, and have high hopes for it. Mostly, I am dissapointed that so many of the things brought up by beta testers have not been implemented.

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Kraith
01.15.2012 , 09:47 PM | #96
A few more days and you all do not have to worry about playing this game anymore. Your free play time will be over and you all can go back to whatever game that makes you smile. Enjoy it, unsub and live the dream. There are far better things for you all to do than to complain on a game site of MMO that you hate.

But, here is the catcher. When BW gets around to fixing a majority of the issues that you all speak of and the game has only improved over the next 6 mons - year, you will want to come back to your lev 50 toon but when you do, you will be irrelevant. You will be at least 6 months to a year behind everyone that stayed or joined. They will laugh at you when you get rolled in PVP and during PVE, you will have to ask for help from a guy who was lv 8 when you unsubbed. So, go back and play your wow, GW, DCUOL, AOC, LOTRO, I would say SWG, but long live my beloved game, and enjoy them. Take them in a keep remembering all of the things you hate about this game and all of the things that made you want to try this game out in the first place.


Just think, you all have a few new games coming out over the next year that you can get a free month and hate as well. It sucks to have such high standards that you cannot find enjoyment in anything that is not individually designed for you.

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Totalchicken
01.15.2012 , 10:22 PM | #97
Quote: Originally Posted by BobTheTeepo View Post
Ya, these forums are highly flammable..
i agree with his opinion!

(Took of the large text because i am so smartz)

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Papazooki
01.15.2012 , 11:31 PM | #98
Quote: Originally Posted by Kraith View Post
A few more days and you all do not have to worry about playing this game anymore. Your free play time will be over and you all can go back to whatever game that makes you smile. Enjoy it, unsub and live the dream. There are far better things for you all to do than to complain on a game site of MMO that you hate.

But, here is the catcher. When BW gets around to fixing a majority of the issues that you all speak of and the game has only improved over the next 6 mons - year, you will want to come back to your lev 50 toon but when you do, you will be irrelevant. You will be at least 6 months to a year behind everyone that stayed or joined. They will laugh at you when you get rolled in PVP and during PVE, you will have to ask for help from a guy who was lv 8 when you unsubbed. So, go back and play your wow, GW, DCUOL, AOC, LOTRO, I would say SWG, but long live my beloved game, and enjoy them. Take them in a keep remembering all of the things you hate about this game and all of the things that made you want to try this game out in the first place.


Just think, you all have a few new games coming out over the next year that you can get a free month and hate as well. It sucks to have such high standards that you cannot find enjoyment in anything that is not individually designed for you.
Where did that come from o.o
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R.I.P SWTOR: Dec 20th, 2011 - Jan 20th, 2012. Such a short life.

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Aroseby
01.16.2012 , 12:31 AM | #99
Quote: Originally Posted by Papazooki View Post
Another thing that impacts SWTOR is the quests.

Sure voice acting is cool, but the quests are even grindier than WoW (which has improved a lot during wrath/cata).
This is simply not true (5 year wow player here - 85 b/elf lock, 85 belf pally 85 b/elf dk, 85 b/elf priest, 80 troll druid,) ahem eg... Tol Barad daily quests are NOT grindy??? it took me 28 days!!!! of dailies to get enough to buy the tol barad flying mount (which finally gave me the gumption to stop playing) 28 days of get rusty rifle, steal fish, kill spiders, get bones, kill shark boss, collect lumber, collect cannonballs etc etc etc.
I won't list the Firelands dailies here but sometimes I almost cried having to do them to get the stuff I thought I wanted/needed.
Almost everything is a grindfest in WoW, rep especially. Bg's for honor points grrr just to find that the full set you ground honor for has just been replaced in new patch...so you have to grind more bg's for the newer better hand me down gear from arenas been there done it all (mostly lol)
You don't even have to quest in wow now, when my wife and I leveled alts we did bg's and random dungeons. Best and quickest way to get to 85 and gear. Seeing as a lot of quests you do don't even give you gear relative to your class(which I noticed SWTOR does, every class quest I do gives me gear related to my class or for my companions woot!!!)
and don't get me started on the bugs and issues that came with patch 4.3 (a whole sticky on wow forums about this and other game bugs which a lot of people fail to mention by the way) the sudden loss of durability on all items either worn or in bank. lol I logged on to my toons to find all of their gear red!!!!
Don't get me wrong I loved playing wow especially with my wife we made a great tank/healer combo. Often switching roles when we got bored.
It was exactly the way you quest in this game that tempted us over from wow (if blizz did the same we wouldn't even be having this exchange of ideas and opinions we would still be there)
So for now we are playing this, wow is on hiatus for us until we have a chance to play the beta of Mists (we both signed for yearly pass got mount, getting Diablo 3 and beta access)
But before you make claims make sure you also inform people of the things that are in wow that you claim exist here.
Remember this, my young apprentice, the 2 weapons we need of most importance when entering a place such as this are :-1) Flag 2)Ignore

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Taurusaud
01.16.2012 , 12:32 AM | #100
Yes I agree with everything you've said with the exception of the planets - they're way too small and I feel like I'm boxed in.
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