DO NOT nerf scoundrels/operatives!

You will have to excuse DeathKorps if he is unable to take you at your word.

Yes, standing there with my trinket on cool down, with 15k life and 400 expertise, and dying in an opener makes me horrible.

Yeap, I am bad.

No I don't exagerate, I don't need to. No, not all ops do this damage, as they are either bad, or not as geared. But either way, even a geared ops shouldn't be able to do this much.

Where are these tears you speak of btw? Perhaps your own because you know the class will be nerfed?

Didn't really expect anyone too. But like I said, find a champion geared ops, and let them go to town on you. Watch what happens in the opener. I dont' need to post a video about something that can be found out for one's self on their own.

ok so maybe that doesn't mean its in 1.1 but it is coming. I hope you don't get YOUR class nerfed because some genius can't tell the difference from a regular player and one who exploits the consumables. But it probably will happen because so many people are so fast to cry and whine without even experiencing it themselves, if they read an "xxx is OP" post on the forums suddenly they are harbingers of doom right along with the genius that posted the cry for nerf in the first place.

nerf those 1shot drama queens, im tired of this bs as a tank, that some Trololo faceroling OP can 1 shot me during a stun

I don't know of any expoitable stackables. First I have heard of there even being an exploit. I know you can stack 15% expertise with rakata stim, with rakata adrenal, +relic, +class cool downs. If this is what you are talking about, then its not really an exploit.

Either way, when an ops/scoundrel can do this 12-15k opener every tiem they engage you, whether it is 5 minutes or 30 seconds apart, then that is a clear indicator that it isn't stacking consumables, but rather constant daamge. Seeeing as consumables and abilities have cool downs.

Op that Nerf that ..

They got the numbers / data ..

they should be able to figure out what have to be done with everyclass thx to loooads of collected informations from wzones ,..,

give them time, if they balance op/scoundrels then ok if not then they are clearly as they intended them to be..

I still vote that they will balance them someway or another, and by the looks of it the high burst will probebly become a tiny bit lower but there sustained dps will be a litle bit higher so that there enemies gets a fair chance to fight back even if there trinket are on cd..

but who knows other then bioware

First off they should fix pvp with brackets and fix the "buff".

Then PvP balance:

BUT Operative/scoundrel needs a look

Ive been in cover, break the stun before the big hit. Then push back and they still can 1 hit kill. I think if you reduce the critical significantly outside of being stunned I could deal, but I don't make the rules.

I don't think there is an effective counter move I've seen to handle this move. If there was I'd be more than cool with the stealth burst damage classes.

However, right now they need someone to explain how its fun in pvp to deal with? If its making pvp people rage it probably could use someone to work on balancing.

I think brackets are the big need though. I'd like full bracketing so that you can fight on par with other levels in pvp. Not just a 50 bracket.

The only problem is that can lead to some misleading pvp statistics. If you look at some classes at 25 verses others.

Anyways. I am logging in for some playing. Just make it more fun. One hits are not fun. Cause as a sniper class I don't 1 hit anything. Even though its our motto. 1 shot 1 kill. Never does that happen....

So if you had a 1 shot class it should have been sniper.

You're kidding right?

Your theory works if the OPerative has no team of his own and just the fact that it requires a team to handle a single class is proof enough that the class completely dominates other classes.

Does anyone sweat it when they see Assassin/Shadow unstealth with backstab? No. Do they even worry about Assassin/Shadow killing them in 1 stun or 3 seconds? No. Assassin/Shadow is also a pure DPS class yet the burst of the class is nowhere near that of an OPerative.

Assassin/Shadow has a hell of a time beating tank class and ranged tank class. If the skill is equal then Assassin/Shadow will go down regardless if they open first or not.

Compare that to OPerative/Scoundrel that can down a tank class in the same amount of time they take to down a light armor class.

Hell, compare it to ANY class and you will realize that OPerative/Scoundrel has too high of a burst. Consumables or not the class has insane Alpha Strike capability, more than any other class in the game.

You are also assuming that OPerative/Scoundrel doesn't CC you while he finishes off your team mate. I mean seriously, get the facts straight.

I believe EVERYONE would be perfectly OK with OPerative/Scoundrel being able to take down light armor classes quickly. However, such a class should have difficulties even putting a dent into tank classes, and they should have a decent challenge beating the classes in their own category. As it stands right now, no class is exempt from OPerative/Scoundrel Alpha Strike, and that is the problem. There is no contest if they execute their Alpha Strike and it shouldn't be that way. Yes Alpha Strike should do a lot of damage but not enough damage to kill a target while they are still on the ground.

As a geared (15.5k 400 expertise) PT, they are over powered. at the end of their stun burst after ive trinked stunned and theyve trinked and ive shielded, I'm down 10k hp, everytime, there's no avoiding it, and then its 5k hp vs 15k hp, and i don't do 3 x their out of stealth dmg, no one does, they win, every time. They're broken, their burst is broken, and it's going to be nerfed. Here's how it goes with trinket up, without trinket im dead or at 90%


they jump me (5-9k), i trinket, i stun them, they trinket, they stun me, 3k, 3k I'm down 11k, a good geared one with crits can kill kill me but on average im down 9-12k and thats enough to **** me.