This game badly needs mods and macros.

Well, i was a destruction warlock in WoW, one of the most hard classes to play,
damage was minium as the class was nerfed pretty bad and never upgraded.

As a destruction warlock, i never could use macro's, spells were to many
and every bossfights needed to have a different approach for a destruction lock.

I learned to play without any macro's what is benefit me now in this game.

It is skill's to play, and im very happy with that, insted of any macro

Leave macro's out of this game lolllllll.

It seems everyone that is complaining against mods/ addons / macros, are the people that have:
a) never used them

b) downloaded them, but could never figure out how to get them running, so they gave up

c) downloaded them, used them, but still stood in the fire/took aggro/sucked really bad, so were kicked from a raiding guild (boohoo, your own fault you still sucked)

d) claimed to have used them, but in there explanations of said addons, clearly prove that they don't know w.t.h they're talking about, and have in fact, never used them

e)used a specific macro, or addon, and therefore think its the only type of macro or addon that is available, and all other addons or macros are just a different version of the same.

f) sucked really really bad at PVP, and therefore had to blame their fail on something, so they blame it on the fact that the other player is CLEARLY using addons, giving him an unfair advantage, when really, you just suck at PVP.

g) got sick of people spamming ROFLcopters in trade chat.

h) have never used them

did I miss any?

No, they're just used to create a straw man argument.

Now back to the topic at hand: what of my argument?

How can something be an unfair advantage though when it's available to everybody?

If anyone can download 'addon x' then there is no advantage or disadvantage, save for a personal choice, a preference.

So why shouldn't we be allowed personal preferences?

And like mentioned before, if player 1 has an advantage because he has an addon, what's to stop the argument from becoming "Player 1 has better gear" or "player 1 has this ability I don't"? Then it becomes a game where everyone is playing the exact same class, with the exact same gear, and then it's not really a game is it?

Preferences and customizability attract players of all playstyles, and helps the game in the long run, and if an addon is so important it's considered a requirement, it's usually implimented in-game. Take WoW for example, they added wow voice, aggro meters, and visual cues for procs, all because of addons.

I suppose it depends on your definition of "Noob". To many, a noob would be someone who accepts whatever UI is plopped in their lap and makes no effort to stream-line it to best suit the raid group they are a part of.

If the game was not intended to have a /target x /cast y in one stroke, then there would be a GCD on targeting. There is not, therefore every argument against this is totally wrong. It's unfortunate that there are those who think that targeting should be such a large part of a boss encounter. Personally, I would rather it be about CD management and knowledge of your class.

But let's face it, 99% of those against macros have most likely never done any serious end-game healing in any MMO, even if they claim they have.

The argument against macros is 100% misguided in my opinion. Macros are on the way, and most people will welcome them.

Mods and Macros are completely different animals. Each deserve its own thread.

Regardless, this isn't a discussion. Not a single person in this thread has changed their original position. This is an internet pissing contest.

Take a poll and kill this thread.

I already conceded your point of it basically just displaying information already available. Just trying to get you to realize that affects game play more than might or might not be intended (who can read the developer's minds)

edit:

analogies do a lot more than create straw man arguments. They offer a different perspective.

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*takes a big breath*

*tries to resist*

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

I am SO SICK OF PEOPLE MISUNDERSTANDING HOW MOUSOVER MACROS WORK.

I AM SO SICK OF IT. OH MY GOD.

If I use a Mouseover Macro to target and heal someone, I HAVE CHOSEN MY OWN gosh darnED TARGET. I MADE THE CHOICE TO CAST THE HEAL ON THEM. THE FACT THAT I DID NOT HAVE TO FIRST TARGET THEM AND THEN PRESS A BUTTON TO HEAL THEM DOES NOT MEAN THAT SOMETHING ELSE PLAYED THE GAME FOR ME. THIS IS A STUPID, FALLACIOUS ARGUMENT AND IT NEEDS TO BE SET ON FIRE.




There are not enough words in this world to describe the complete and utter stupidity of this statement.

Addons automate nothing. The fact that you seem to believe that they do illustrates that you are a) ignorant or b) willfully lying.

If you are ignorant, then please, for the love of god, read what poster after poster has tried to explain to you about how addons work. Do research for yourself instead of spouting things you read in other posts or heard from your buddies. Addons do not automate anything for you.

If you are willfully lying, then you should be ashamed of yourself for trying to get what you want by twisting the truth.

Then they will go through the game without addons and never be the wiser. But the long-term players will likely start to see pictures of UIs, tales of particular addons that make the UI look so much better, get curious, and do research.

God forbid this happen.

Listen, another poster put it best, but I'll try to reiterate: Addons will never make me better than you are. One of us will be the better player whether we use addons or not. Keep telling yourself that the reason you're getting sat is because that mean person is using addons. You're wrong. If you're getting sat, it's because you're doing something wrong.

Of course, you'll probably never be able to figure out what you're doing wrong, because you're so against addons you can't even see the benefit of being able to see a combat log parse to tell why the hell you died.

I'm not saying you're bad. I'm saying you're either ignorant or lying when you talk about addons. I'm honestly not sure which one is worse.

Ironic, I was an affliction lock and I had to learn to use macros around level 40 because I ran out of space on my action bars for all my spells. (Think: all 4 pet summons on one button)

Also: "damage was minium"

Ever think that was because you refused to use macros? After 4.2 I was almost consistently on top of DPS meters as destro. Go figure.

See funny thing is, if macros are available to everyone they are balanced since anyone can use them if they feel. The opposite means everyone has to conform to your playing style (which apparently is crap for DPS) and everyone with a programmable keyboard/mouse is still at an advantage, and will still DPS circles around you.

Agree 1000%