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This game badly needs mods and macros.


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ToliverGrey
01.15.2012 , 12:56 PM | #291
Quote: Originally Posted by GalacticKegger View Post
Actually, pretty much every level-appropriate end game boss fight in WoW requires them now, which is why I left. The game's fight mechanics have devolved into hairbrained fire drills designed to beat cheats like DBM.
This. WoW's once fun boss mechanics have devolved into an ever increasing aoe damages, multiplying of tricks, and more one-shot-kill abilities in order to compensate for addons DBM, healbot, etc making the game easier to play. None of those mechanics are fun, they are just tedious.

WoW's progression:

Stage 1: "Give us addons to make the game easier!"
Stage 2: "Waaaaaahhhhh! Game is too easy, make it harder!"
Stage 3: "Waaaaaaaahhhhhh! Too many cheap shot boss mechanics, not fun!"
Stage 4: Mass cancellations, dying game

So why even start down that path?

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Krazeh
01.15.2012 , 12:56 PM | #292
Quote: Originally Posted by ToliverGrey View Post
While your raid leader who does have DBM calls out "Ok, in 10 seconds take 5 steps to the left!" or "5 seconds till <boss ability>, everyone stack!"
And that's different to having someone in teh raid with a stopwatch keeping track of abilities how exactly? Which is exactly what people did before DBM.

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Twixted
01.15.2012 , 12:57 PM | #293
Quote: Originally Posted by silentwon View Post
Can i ask what is really the differnce between DBM warning than a visual warning that this game has and if you say you have to watch the screen im gonna say BS there both the same its just smart on blizz's dev cause you know why they dont have to waste time making visuals this idea that add-ons make the game easier is just stupid BS.

what makes the game easier is devs making the game easier what you think blizz cant make there game harder think cata BOT,BWD and al'akir which all of at the start and pretty much most of was unpuggable even the dungeons were pretty hard until the masses started crying omg its to hard so they nerfed the hell out of them so saying that add-ons make the game easier its the community that makes the game easier so stop blaming the tools blame the people who cant use the tools.

Your argument of the addon making the game easier is not the point. The point is when the addon seemingly starts to play the game for you.

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Krazeh
01.15.2012 , 01:00 PM | #294
Quote: Originally Posted by Twixted View Post
Your argument of the addon making the game easier is not the point. The point is when the addon seemingly starts to play the game for you.
Which addons do this? I can't think of any in WoW that do that. Perhaps in other games?

Quote: Originally Posted by GalacticKegger View Post
Actually, pretty much every level-appropriate end game boss fight in WoW requires them now
Actually, none of them do. They can all be done quite successfully without any addons.

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Nexusissei
01.15.2012 , 01:04 PM | #295
Quote: Originally Posted by CaptainHagbard View Post
So WoW was the only MMO you played? Because the ones I played (LotRO, RIFT, EVE, ST:O, UO, WAR) only allowed a very limited modification to the game, if they allowed it at all.
Success in EVE is dependent on third-party software (not just addons or macros). And UO... Remember UOAssist?

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VorpalK
01.15.2012 , 01:05 PM | #296
Quote: Originally Posted by Zingas View Post
I sorely underestimated just how poor the UI would turn out. It is so uncustomizable it isn't funny. Health bars, buffs, debuffs, and the power bar are all WAY too small. You can't move or resize anything, I HATE having the chat box up the top.

Not having a damage meter or even a freaking combat log is ridiculous. Why shouldn't we even know how much damage we're doing? I want to know what the best rotation is for my character and I have absolutely no way of working that out.

Macros are a staple in every MMO, how can you just not have them? There's a nice focus target but it's practically useless without focus macros.

These should be top priority for the next patch.
I would certainly like UI enhancments.
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silentwon
01.15.2012 , 01:06 PM | #297
Quote: Originally Posted by Nexusissei View Post
All DBM is, is an "idiot light." "Hey, you're in the fire." "Yeah, he's channeling Shatter in case you didn't see that -- run away."
please tell me how that is differnt than a pattern on the ground that gives you plenty of time to move out of and the only way you can get hit by is if your just facerolling hard which in that case your probably gonna get hit by if you had DBM so please give a difference.

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Twixted
01.15.2012 , 01:09 PM | #298
Quote: Originally Posted by Krazeh View Post
Which addons do this? I can't think of any in WoW that do that. Perhaps in other games?
Really you fail to see the difference between watching and looking for fight mechanics and having a flashing warning pop up on your screen?? The difference between having to pay attention to debuffs instead of just hitting a button when it appears?

I am not going to get into the subjective argument of whether or not this makes the game easier, but i will say addons like DBM and decursive monitor and partially play different aspect of the game for you.

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Nexusissei
01.15.2012 , 01:09 PM | #299
Quote: Originally Posted by silentwon View Post
please tell me how that is differnt than a pattern on the ground that gives you plenty of time to move out of and the only way you can get hit by is if your just facerolling hard which in that case your probably gonna get hit by if you had DBM so please give a difference.
Please review my postings so you can better understand my position. You're mistaken on which side of the fence I'm on.

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silentwon
01.15.2012 , 01:09 PM | #300
Quote: Originally Posted by Twixted View Post
Your argument of the addon making the game easier is not the point. The point is when the addon seemingly starts to play the game for you.
Can you name such add-on please cause ive never found an add-on that plays for me.