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The Simple Reason Why Scoundrels/Operatives are not OP

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The Simple Reason Why Scoundrels/Operatives are not OP

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Koendewit
01.15.2012 , 11:30 AM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by Ganan View Post
are you this much clueless?

you dont know what difference itm akes for a team to be able to automatically remove 1-2 squishies out of a group? such as healers for example?

like i said, them ore you talk the more you show how ignorant of pvp mechanics you are.
Are you this clueless..
Scoundrels are the one class that can counter healers and other squishies. If u remove our powerfull burst u remove a teams ability to disable the other teams squishies, which will result in endless fights because no healer is ever dying. Every class needs its counter.
It's the talent in the concealment tree called "Clandestine QQ" that gives Backstab a 1/2% chance to instantly unsub the target, and a 50/100% chance to stunlock their entire computer.

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Ganan
01.15.2012 , 11:33 AM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by Koendewit View Post
Are you this clueless..
Scoundrels are the one class that can counter healers and other squishies. If u remove our powerfull burst u remove a teams ability to disable the other teams squishies, which will result in endless fights because no healer is ever dying. Every class needs its counter.
see heres what Im talking about...
this makes no sense whatsoever, it doesnt adress any claim argument or fact made, and it downright isnt true either...

even if it WAS true, there is a total of TWO AC's who can categorily be dismissed from the "squishies" category... is scounds/ops counter to all the other ACs? rofl
then what is scoun/op counter? I can hardly wait to read what class you think counters you (another chance to show how much of a bad player you really are)
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Koendewit
01.15.2012 , 11:36 AM | #63
Quote: Originally Posted by Ganan View Post
see heres what Im talking about...
this makes no sense whatsoever, it doesnt adress any claim argument or fact made, and it downright isnt true either...

even if it WAS true, there is a total of TWO AC's who can categorily be dismissed from the "squishies" category... is scounds/ops counter to all the other ACs? rofl
then what is scoun/op counter? I can hardly wait to read what class you think counters you (another chance to show how much of a bad player you really are)
hmm ok, what about the sage/sorc. He can keep us at distance with ranged stun and knockbacks. Then, when we do get close without a gap-closer(we have none) they pop their bubble and we are dead. Funny how you act like you ignore my point and then ask me to elaborate.
It's the talent in the concealment tree called "Clandestine QQ" that gives Backstab a 1/2% chance to instantly unsub the target, and a 50/100% chance to stunlock their entire computer.

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Ganan
01.15.2012 , 11:39 AM | #64
Quote: Originally Posted by Koendewit View Post
hmm ok, what about the sage/sorc. He can keep us at distance with ranged stun and knockbacks. Then, when we do get close without a gap-closer(we have none) they pop their bubble and we are dead. Funny how you act like you ignore my point and then ask me to elaborate.
O-M-G guahahahahahahahha

seriously? you play a scoundrel/operative and you get killed by sorcs/sages?... ah dear... that explains why you are defending the class this badly tbh... you NEED it to be OP... cuz the alternative... is realizing you are a bad pvp'er

its no worries m8, you have your opinion, Ill do my best to respec it, but heartily disagree with it, no point discussing it further really.
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AndiusTheGreat
01.15.2012 , 11:40 AM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by Lokai View Post
your right game doesn't revolve around 1 vs 1 however on flip side, watching my teamate die before i can press F(what ever key he is) or select his port to heal him, or even hitting shield my hot, and innervate and STILL watching his health end at 25% which operative proceeds to poke him and he dies is not balanced either.

is a fine balance between high yet acceptable damage and broken damage operatives are in broken damage section, dealing more burst faster then most healers can even react to. this is by definition unbalanced.
I play as a healer most of the time. I actually rolled scoundrel because I wanted a healer that would have stealth for open world PVP. I've watched a lot of team-mates die before I could do anything, and its not just Ops who do it. Actually the majority of the time that it happens is because I get CCed or disrupted on an Underworld Medicine killing both it and the Emergency Medpack I usually follow it up with. So really a stun on me at the right time can kill someone just as fast as a shoot first. Its always an un-nerving feeling to watch anyone die knowing there was nothing you could have done to stop it, but a good healers role is not to stop every single death in PVP. If we could do that, nobody would ever die.
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THEBelkas
01.15.2012 , 11:40 AM | #66
Quote: Originally Posted by Koendewit View Post
your a ranged class dude, you dont even need it. U can shoot some1 from 30 mtrs. Scoundrels cant do **** from 30 mtrs.
The issue is not whether I need more maneuverability. The fact that the OP claims he lacks maneuverability while an operative/scoundrel dances a jig over my body, which is laying face down, as they carve me up into a tasty filet is laughable.

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Koendewit
01.15.2012 , 11:43 AM | #67
Quote: Originally Posted by Ganan View Post
O-M-G guahahahahahahahha

seriously? you play a scoundrel/operative and you get killed by sorcs/sages?... ah dear... that explains why you are defending the class this badly tbh... you NEED it to be OP... cuz the alternative... is realizing you are a bad pvp'er

its no worries m8, you have your opinion, Ill do my best to respec it, but heartily disagree with it, no point discussing it further really.
I will ignore the childish comments and react to your point, if there even is one. Yes i get killed by sorcs for the exact reasons i stated. Now in stead acting like a freaking5 year old going like OMG HAUAHAHHA LOLMFAAO! tell me why i should win against a sorc?
It's the talent in the concealment tree called "Clandestine QQ" that gives Backstab a 1/2% chance to instantly unsub the target, and a 50/100% chance to stunlock their entire computer.

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AndiusTheGreat
01.15.2012 , 11:46 AM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by THEBelkas View Post
The issue is not whether I need more maneuverability or not. The fact that the OP claims he lacks maneuverability while an operative/scoundrel dances a jig over my body, which is laying face down, as they carve me up into a tasty filet is laughable.
The point is you can move around the battle blasting anything you come within 30 meters of while if we see someone up on a walkway, we have to take the long way to get there or else we can't use any of our primary DPS skills including our from stealth attack. On some maps, especially huttball, that can be a very long walk.
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Ganan
01.15.2012 , 11:48 AM | #69
Quote: Originally Posted by Koendewit View Post
I will ignore the childish comments and react to your point, if there even is one. Yes i get killed by sorcs for the exact reasons i stated. Now in stead acting like a freaking5 year old going like OMG HAUAHAHHA LOLMFAAO! tell me why i should win against a sorc?
laughting at you means im childish? maybe... but remains the fact Im honestly amused, as a scoundrel player myself that you have problems with sorcs/sages...

no really... if you had answered aoe spec jugs/guards.. I would've taken you more seriously... but seriously naming a squishie class that you can kill without them able to react at all... I honeslty dont feel the justification to reply more constructively than a laugh...

why should I give you, scoundrel pvp lessons, when you clearly *think* you know best beforehand? especially considering you claim not to know how to kill a squishie class, that you just a few posts back said you were its counter ...
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Koendewit
01.15.2012 , 11:51 AM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by Ganan View Post
laughting at you means im childish? maybe... but remains the fact Im honestly amused, as a scoundrel player myself that you have problems with sorcs/sages...

no really... if you had answered aoe spec jugs/guards.. I would've taken you more seriously... but seriously naming a squishie class that you can kill without them able to react at all... I honeslty dont feel the justification to reply more constructively than a laugh...

why should I give you, scoundrel pvp lessons, when you clearly *think* you know best beforehand?
Funny how i allmost never lose against juggs and also, sorcs arent really that squishy with their bubble. That ability is kind of OP since it ignores my first 2 atacks. which are the strongest. I may add to that. They can keep us at range and we have no gap closer. We can be kited to death pretty easily. Ive seen it happen alot. Not only to me.
And dont give me the **** about me having to restealth, because a good sorc will dot me and i cant dispel force effects.
P.S. I have to go eat now, i will read back later.
It's the talent in the concealment tree called "Clandestine QQ" that gives Backstab a 1/2% chance to instantly unsub the target, and a 50/100% chance to stunlock their entire computer.