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Scoundrels/Operatives ridculously OP.

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Scoundrels/Operatives ridculously OP.

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MoarPowar
01.15.2012 , 06:36 AM | #871
Enjoy their OP'ness. I am. It's going to be a while before they do any PvP nerfs.

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E_c_c_e
01.15.2012 , 06:46 AM | #872
Quote: Originally Posted by TheHauntingBard View Post
The only way I can counter an operative is with in a group fight.
If some one peals them off me.

If I get stunned as healer or DPS with out trinket up I'm dead.
Even in group fights where I keep ranged they will pretty much take 10k out of me.
Moment that happened the fight actually 'starts'


With trinkets it becomes another story, as healer I can't keep up vs a good one so I just need to get away.
As DPS well they still pretty much wreck me as a sorcerer so you rather not fight them one on one.


Their weakness is not having cooldowns up but that goes for a lot of classes.
So wait...what you are saying...is ...wait...really ? You need to act as a team to be effective in pvp ? Seriously ?

Hmm...damn...I always thought that PvP was everyone for himself...was always wondering what that "premade" thing was everyone is talking about...and why there are PvP guilds...I mean...do you really need a team to win ?


/irony off

Yes operative / scoundrel burst is high...but what else is there after the burst ? The heals that are ultra slow cast (unless skilled and even then) ? The CC that breaks on dmg ? The stun opener that fills the resolve bar ? (oh and btw the stun is max 3 seconds...you can act again much faster than people make believe...just because the animation isn't finished you are still able to use your skills...get real guys) The short snare that is on a 12 sec CD ? The not existing knockback / pull ?


honestly I played both a Marauder and a Scoundrel to 50 and of course I'm more effective in PvP if I have the ability to choose the low lvl / low hp target and burst him down...but that doesn't make me a god in PvP...once we're out of stealth / cc'ed we're toast...the two short defensive CDs we have don't help that much and once an Inquisitor / Consular / Marauder / Sentinel / Bounty Hunter / etc. decided to go for me I'm pretty much dead unless I run away...and we have no gap closer at all...ever heard of kiting ? We're ridiculously easy to kite...but people don't want to learn how to play...they just want to be op while all the other classes have to be underpowered and useless...since only then they are able to actually do anything in PvP apparently...

Once people learn how to properly play it will be effing hard to kill anything with an operative / scoundrel since everyone will have gear and know what the class can and can't do (there is no Stunlock, the opener fills resolve bar, the other stun is ridiculously short and breaks stealth and the third one breaks on dmg...and a SNARE is NOT a STUN)...but lets just whine and qq so it gets nerfed and the next class ascends to the "OP throne" (which is chosen by people how don't know the game or how to play PvP) then that gets nerfed and so on...

I seriously hope the Devs here just don't listen to this stuff because otherwise the PvP in this game will only go downhill...I know there are things that have to be adressed in general but operatives / scoundrels are not one of them...Ability delay, Resolve bar and Buff Stacking are top priorities that have to be looked at...everything else is just QQ...
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Trujan
01.15.2012 , 09:23 AM | #873
Look its pretty simple, the GAME would be FLAWED if stealth classes DID NOT, DID NNNOOOTTTT win 99% of 1v1 encounters where they get the jump!

BUDDY UP PEOPLE!

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DarthHendo
01.15.2012 , 09:28 AM | #874
Quote: Originally Posted by Trujan View Post
Look its pretty simple, the GAME would be FLAWED if stealth classes DID NOT, DID NNNOOOTTTT win 99% of 1v1 encounters where they get the jump!

BUDDY UP PEOPLE!
WUT? So you're saying that anyone that rolls a stealth class should be guaranteed a win?

REALLY?
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AmonSWTOR
01.15.2012 , 09:31 AM | #875
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthHendo View Post
WUT? So you're saying that anyone that rolls a stealth class should be guaranteed a win?

REALLY?
No, hes saying that no matter the game u play (at something close to the release date ofc), stealth classes are miles infront of everyone in terms of burst.
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Trujan
01.15.2012 , 09:31 AM | #876
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthHendo View Post
WUT? So you're saying that anyone that rolls a stealth class should be guaranteed a win?

REALLY?
Eeer yes. You watch your prey, till they engage, see what they use when fighting another mob or person, stun their companion when they finish combat and have no way to resist, and either stick a double ended lightsaber in their kidneys or a shot gun to the back of the head. Its what they do! Its not broken.

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Trujan
01.15.2012 , 09:33 AM | #877
Quote: Originally Posted by AmonSWTOR View Post
No, hes saying that no matter the game u play (at something close to the release date ofc), stealth classes are miles infront of everyone in terms of burst.
Well yes to the above, but they are also miles and miles and miles ahead in terms of when to engage to maximize their abilities.

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Shardsy
01.15.2012 , 09:40 AM | #878
The nerf will come. Anyone who thinks otherwise is delusional, until then enjoy being OP.

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Trujan
01.15.2012 , 09:42 AM | #879
I'm not a scoundrel or a the imp opposite, but i hope they don't get nerfed really, they would have nothing else to do then.

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DarthHendo
01.15.2012 , 09:49 AM | #880
Quote: Originally Posted by Trujan View Post
Eeer yes. You watch your prey, till they engage, see what they use when fighting another mob or person, stun their companion when they finish combat and have no way to resist, and either stick a double ended lightsaber in their kidneys or a shot gun to the back of the head. Its what they do! Its not broken.
Well than thats not a 1v1 fight is it. Thats called cheap ganking.

Your original statement was that a stealth class should win 99% of 1v1 fights or the game was flawed and broken, and that statement, logic, and concept is completely and utterly moronic...
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